Ya know (pardon ladies) ..I got my girlfriend interested in
multi-directional thrust. She took to it right away...but the bed gets
kinda crowded.
Bob King
Pennsville,NJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve St.Laurent <saint1958@home.com>
To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
Date: Sunday, February 20, 2000 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: DML: Speed? Multi-directional Thrust Vectoring Nozzle
>Let correct myself before I close this thread: it is referred to as a
>multi-directional thrust vectoring nozzle (I just refer it as Vector
>Exhaust). The first NASA/Air Force/Pratt & Whitney, mounted one of the
>engines of a F-15 (1996), using a F100-PW-229 engine. The first prototype
>testing on a single engine is a F-16D-PW229 engine (the Air Force VISTA
>program). It was shown on the Discovery Channel under the banner of
Extreme
>Flying Machines, since this was not a classified program.
>
>For NASA's flight research, each nozzle is mounted to one of the F-15
>Active's two F100-PW-229 engines, which have modified fan duct cases to
>provide the additional strength required to withstand the vectoring forces.
>Installation of the nozzles also required modifications to the aircraft's
>rear fuselage and main engine mounts.
>
>F-22 integration: The F119 engine nozzle for the F-22 is the world's first
>full production vectoring nozzle, fully integrated into the aircraft/engine
>combination as original equipment. The two-dimensional nozzle vectors
thrust
>20 degrees up and down for improved aircraft agility. This vectoring
>increases the roll rate of the aircraft by 50 percent and has features that
>contribute to the aircraft stealth requirements. Heat-resistant components
>give the nozzles the durability needed to vector thrust, even in
afterburner
>conditions. With precision digital controls, the nozzles work like another
>aircraft flight control surface. Thrust vectoring is an integrated part of
>the F-22's flight control system, which allows for seamless integration of
>all components working in response to pilot commands. The nozzle is
>manufactured at Pratt & Whitney's West Palm Beach facility, home to the
>company's military engine design and prototype construction.
>
>Yes! You are right. They did some modification to the airframes.
>
>http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/F-15ACTIVE/HTML/EC96-43485-3.html
>http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/F-15ACTIVE/HTML/EC96-43456-5.html
>
>Dryden Research Facility
>
>
>=================================
>Steve St.Laurent
>2000 DC Dakota 4.7, CC, 4x2, 3:55 (soon 330HP)
>2000 Roush Mustang Stage I (awaiting the new SC)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-dakota-truck@buffnet.net
>[mailto:owner-dakota-truck@buffnet.net]On Behalf Of Preacher
>Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 5:59 PM
>To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
>Subject: Re: DML: Speed?
>
>Vectored exhaust and vectored thrust are two different animals. The F22 has
>vectored exhaust and can make some really radical turns but cannot now, nor
>has it ever, done a vertical take off or fly backwards. The Harrier has
>vectored thrust and is VTOL.
>As for the AirForce having 2 F-16's that have vectored thrust, I think you
>are mistaken. Exhaust maybe, thrust, no way. The airframe was not designed
>for it! (The newest Vectored thrust aircraft to be tested by the military
is
>the Osprey which has both VSTOL and VTOL capabilities.)
>
>My original military specialty was Aviation hydraulic systems. Learned on
>the A7E Corsair 2 and the A-4 Skyhawk, then transitioned to the new (then)
>FA-18. Been a big fan of jet aircraft ever since...
>===============================================
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: Steve St.Laurent <saint1958@home.com>
>To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
>Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 8:34 PM
>Subject: RE: DML: Speed?
>
>
>> Hey! I totally agree. The Wart Hog could take direct hits and still fly.
>I
>> portioned a few Marines to take the planes but they insisted that the
>Cobras
>> do the job. Boy! Some people just don't get it.
>>
>> The Air Force has two F-16 that has the Vector Exhaust. But, I was
>> surprised someone does has knowledge of this. It was a Russian concept
>back
>> in the 60-70's era and AF finally tried it. It is weird to see it fly in
>> reverse and then sideways. Then we have a F-22 which will have not only
>the
>> Vector Exhaust but stealth technology.
>>
>> =================================
>> Steve St.Laurent
>> 2000 DC Dakota 4.7, CC, 4x2, 3:55 (soon 330HP)
>> 2000 Roush Mustang Stage I (awaiting the new SC)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-dakota-truck@buffnet.net
>> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@buffnet.net]On Behalf Of The Man From Utopia
>> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 8:52 AM
>> To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
>> Subject: RE: DML: Speed?
>>
>> You must be talking about the Hawker Harrier... To do the F-16 the whole
>> airframe would have to be redesigned to support the engine with vectored
>> thrust. I don't really care too much for the Air Farce's idea of dumping
>the
>> A-10 and using the F-16 for close air support.. You cannot effectively
>drive
>> a F-16 low and slow, plus a couple of well placed 20mm rounds would put
>that
>> plane out of commission if it was low and slow. They would also have to
>> replace the GAU-20 with the 30 to be an effective tankbuster. The 20mm
>> rounds just bounce off of tank armor. Then again a well placed Maverick
>> would spoil a tankers day(at a million or two a pop). I saw a couple of
>> TBOLT's that came back from the Gulf with some holes from some hits from
>> "golden BB's", the F-16 would not have been airworthy in comparison.
Being
>a
>> former grunt myself, if given the choice I would take a lone A-10 over a
>> flight of F-16's when I needed some CAS.
>>
>> Greg
>> 95 DSCC v6 5spd
>> Rahway NJ
>>
>> > What about that F-16 that can fly in reverse or sideways?
>> >
>> > =================================
>> > Steve St.Laurent
>> > 2000 DC Dakota 4.7, CC, 4x2, 3:55 (soon 330HP)
>> > 2000 Roush Mustang Stage I (awaiting the new SC)
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-dakota-truck@buffnet.net
>> > [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@buffnet.net]On Behalf Of The Man
>> > From Utopia
>> > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2000 3:22 PM
>> > To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
>> > Subject: RE: DML: Speed?
>> >
>> > Not really... They used the THUD until 1985, then went to the
>> > F-4 Phantom..
>> > Now they are either driving F-15 Eagles or F-16 Falcons. Had to get to
>> > Virginia very fast...
>> >
>> > Greg
>> > 95 DSCC v6 5spd
>> > Rahway NJ
>> >
>> > > Boy, you sure dated yourself with that one! I'll bet it was
>> > > a great ride
>> > > though, the THUD was some hunk of airplane.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >From: "The Man From Utopia" <tmfu@home.com>
>> > > >Reply-To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
>> > > >To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
>> > > >Subject: RE: DML: Speed?
>> > > >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 21:47:00 -0500
>> > > >
>> > > > > .81 mach---T-37.
>> > > >
>> > > >Mach 1.05---F-105 Thunderchief (NJANG)
>> > > >
>> > > >Greg
>> > > >95 DSCC v6 5spd
>> > > >Rahway NJ
>> > >
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>> >
>> >
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