Sometimes ya just gotta laugh at "progress". In the early to mid 60's I was
racing a 34 Ford coupe with a 283 Corvette mill punched to 292 cubes and I
used an old Lone Star ice chest with a series of folgers cans in it packed
with dry ice and was turning 133 mph at 11.33. This NEW technology is
somethin' else.
Larry
>From: bernd@texas.net
>Reply-To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
>To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
>Subject: Re: DML: Pre Chiller means more HP (long article but worth it)
>Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:06:50 US/Central
>
>100% correct. From what i've found out, our Mopar engines make the best HP
>around 180-185 degrees. Anything colder than 170 and the HP starts to fall
>off
>and (obviously) anything above 195 is about the same drop.
>
>- Bernd
>
>
> > Only to a point.
> >
> > Ron
> > 00 SLT QC 4X2 5.9 46RE 3.92 LSD
> > For modifications see my DML Profile
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-dakota-truck@buffnet.net
> > [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@buffnet.net]On Behalf Of Stlaurent Mr Steven
> > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 11:16 AM
> > To: 'dakota-truck@buffnet.net'
> > Subject: DML: RE: RE: RE: RE: Pre Chiller means more HP (long article
> > but worth it)
> >
> >
> > What about the fuel delivery and water through a AC unit???? A cooler
>motor
> > means more HP.
> >
> > -------------------------------------------
> > Steven St.Laurent
> > Test Engineer
> > Test Branch, GSD, MCTSSA
> > MARCORSYSCOM, USMC
> > 760-725-2506 (DSN 365-2506)
> > Work:mailto:stlaurents@mctssa.usmc.mil
> > Home:mailto:saint1958@home.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ronald Wong [mailto:ron-wong@home.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 10:49 AM
> > To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
> > Subject: DML: RE: RE: RE: Pre Chiller means more HP (long article
> > but worth it)
> >
> > Yes, they are gearing up. I just talked to their manufacturing facility
> > which is by Magic Mountain. Gary Bethurem is out of town this week but
>will
> > be at SEMA next week for the launch of the pre-chiller. Nobody knows
>cost
> > yet because they're still tooling but all the hand-made ones for the
>Viper
> > have been spoken for and they are at least 30 days backlogged already.
>I
> > will be at SEMA so will make every attempt to speak to Mr. Bethurem
>about
> > his product. It looks like at least a 15% improvement with the
>pre-chiller.
> > Man, what a concept...it was my idea too, dammit, only I was going to
>route
> > my AC pipe into my intake. Jim Frazier, at PFM's sister site, told me
> > basically that's what Gary did, created a separate AC unit for the
>engine.
> >
> > Ron
> > 00 SLT QC 4X2 5.9 46RE 3.92 LSD
> > For modifications see my DML Profile
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-dakota-truck@buffnet.net
> > [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@buffnet.net]On Behalf Of Stlaurent Mr Steven
> > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 10:02 AM
> > To: 'dakota-truck@buffnet.net'
> > Subject: DML: RE: RE: Pre Chiller means more HP (long article but worth
> > it)
> >
> >
> > Yea! And it's in your neighborhood. I already sent an e-mail asking
>for
> > products for the Dakota (since they are making one for the Viper) and
>see if
> > they need test vehicles.
> >
> > -------------------------------------------
> > Steven St.Laurent
> > Test Engineer
> > Test Branch, GSD, MCTSSA
> > MARCORSYSCOM, USMC
> > 760-725-2506 (DSN 365-2506)
> > Work:mailto:stlaurents@mctssa.usmc.mil
> > Home:mailto:saint1958@home.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ronald Wong [mailto:ron-wong@home.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 9:50 AM
> > To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
> > Subject: DML: RE: Pre Chiller means more HP (long article but worth
> > it)
> >
> > GGRRRRR.....I was thinking of this same concept a couple months ago.
> > Remember when we were talking about cold air and what it would take to
>make
> > more HP? Well, I went and talked to Mike Leach Co. about it and they
>said,
> > Naaa, it won't work. BS, dammit, though these guys have been working on
>it
> > for awhile and would have beaten me anyway, still, my concept was good.
>I
> > hate it when someone tells me differently.
> >
> > Ron
> > 00 SLT QC 4X2 5.9 46RE 3.92 LSD
> > For modifications see my DML Profile
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-dakota-truck@buffnet.net
> > [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@buffnet.net]On Behalf Of Stlaurent Mr Steven
> > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 9:28 AM
> > To: 'dakota-truck@buffnet.net'
> > Subject: DML: Pre Cjiller means more HP (long article but worth it)
> >
> >
> > 9/15/00 - New PFM PreChiller PFM Products Inc., a 25 year pioneer in the
> > development of marine engine inter-cooling systems, launched the
> > revolutionary new, patented, PreChiller to the automotive world during
> > DaimlerChrysler Corporations Dodge Viper Invitational in St. Louis,
> > Missouri. The PreChiller patented system chills ambient air and
>disperses
> > colder, denser air to the motor resulting in more horsepower. For Full
>Press
> > Release click: PFM PreChiller Press Release or call Gary Bethurem at
> > 805-388-6499.
> >
> > PFM Products Inc., a 25 year pioneer in the development of marine engine
> > inter-cooling systems, launched the revolutionary new, patented,
>PreChiller
> > to the automotive world during DaimlerChrysler Corporations Dodge Viper
> > Invitational in St. Louis, Missouri. The PreChiller patented system
>chills
> > ambient air and disperses colder, denser air to the motor resulting in
>more
> > horsepower.
> >
> > In 1998, PFM teamed up with Viper car racer Gary Bethurem to integrate
>PFM's
> > long history of race boat technology and Bethurem's desire to make his
> > racecar go faster. After patenting the new PreChiller, PFM president
>John
> > Pelkey and Bethurem set out to make the finest auto pre-cooler system by
> > creating the ultimate challenge for themselves. They believed that if
>they
> > could make the PreChiller work in a large engine racecar, they could
>adapt
> > it easily to production vehicles. In St. Louis last week, two years of
> > dedicated effort was rewarded when Bethurem's Viper performed with
>dramatic
> > results. Each and every trip down the drag strip, the car ran quicker
>than
> > any comparably equipped car. Even more impressive were the Dyno (Mustang
> > Dynamometer) test results performed at Paxton Automotive this week in
> > Ventura County, California using Bethurem's modified racecar and a stock
> > Viper RT.
> >
> > So impressive were these results that Bethurem was invited to show the
> > PreChiller to Hot Rod magazine, sr. editor, Ro McGonegal and publisher,
>Brad
> > Gerber, who will review the PreChiller in Hot Rod's upcoming issue. Says
> > Bethurem, "If we can show this kind of radical difference in horsepower
>in a
> > large engine race car, just think of what the PreChiller will do for the
> > family vehicle whether it's a car, truck, SUV or RV". Pelkey adds, "in
>an
> > era of record gas prices the PreChiller will improve any vehicles engine
> > performance dramatically by adding colder and denser air", and "in fact
>the
> > PreChiller should reduce air polluting emissions which are so damaging
>to
> > our environment."
> >
> > PFM plans to launch the PreChiller through the Viper car community so
>that
> > it can take advantage of existing molds and because current demand is
> > substantially higher than the availability. PFM manufacturing manager,
>Ryan
> > Pelkey says the company is ramping up for production on availability and
> > other models but suggests that it won't happen overnight as the company
> > wishes "to continue on its path of perfection, not mass production".
> >
> > PFM also manufactures the SuperChiller, Gorilla Kit and Total Control
>System
> > and is located at 12155 Magnolia No. 6, E. Riverside, CA 92503. Click
>this
> > to view PreChiller 9/4/00 Full Press Release and click this to view
> > HorsePower Curve Test Results in PDF format.
> >
> > For additional information including copies of official Dyno Test
>Results
> > call Gary Bethurem at 805-388-6499, Fax to 805-388-6447, visit our
>website
> > at: www.pfmproducts.com or e-mail: garyb@xgearinc.com.
> >
> > The results of the Dyno were as follows (see the test attached);
> >
> > Viper Modified Version: (SVSI headers, 70mm throttle bodies, 1.7 ratio
> > rocker arms, Borla header back exhaust)
> > 1st pass with open throttle bodies;
> > A/C (PreChiller) OFF: Rear Wheel Horsepower 477.9
> > 2nd pass with open throttle bodies;
> > A/C (PreChiller) ON: Rear Wheel Horsepower 511.6
> >
> >
> > Viper RT Stock Version
> > 1st pass with open throttle bodies;
> > A/C (PreChiller) OFF: Rear Wheel Horsepower 377.2
> > 2nd pass with open throttle bodies;
> > A/C (PreChiller) ON: Rear Wheel Horsepower 432.1
> >
> >
> > Test day information -
> > Time tested (approx.)10 am - 1 pm
> > Ambient temperature 881/4
> > Relative humidity (approx.) 80%
> > Temperature after PreChiller 551/4
> >
> > At the Pomona Raceway in California, 11.05 @ 128.6 was run with the
> > PreChiller. For more information or copies of official Dyno Test Result
> > sheets, contact G. Bethurem at (805) 388-6499.
> >
> > Mustang Dynamometer
> > Vehicle Test Results
> > Date/Time Printed: 8/31/2000 9:42:24 AM
> >
> > PAXTON AUTOMOTIVE CORP
> > Phone: (805) 604-1336 / Fax (805) 604-1337
> > 2146 Eastman Ave.
> > Oxnard, Ca 93030
> >
> > (Test 1, PreChiller off)
> >
> > Customer: PFM/PreChiller
> > License: 3VUA118
> > VIN:
> > Yr/Mk/Mdl: 1997 GTS Dodge Viper
> > Miles: 2000.0
> > Weight: 3500.0
> > HP@50 MPH: 12.00
> > Cyl/Disp: 10/8.0 Liter
> > HorsePower Curve Test Results
> > Test Run: 8/31/2000 9:40:13 AM
> > Max Power: 477.5 @ 5000 RPM
> > Max Torque: 500.7 @ 5000 RPM
> > Comments:
> >
> > (Test 2, PreChiller On)
> > Customer: PFM/PreChiller
> > License: 3VUA118
> > VIN:
> > Yr/Mk/Mdl: 1997 GTS Dodge Viper
> > Miles: 2000.0
> > Weight: 3500.0
> > HP@50 MPH: 12.00
> > Cyl/Disp: 10/8.0 Liter
> > HorsePower Curve Test Results
> > Test Run: 8/31/2000 9:47:45 AM
> > Max Power: 511.6 @ 5500 RPM
> > Max Torque: 506.3 @ 5250 RPM
> > Comments:
> >
> >
> > (Test 3, PreChiller On)
> > Customer: PFM/PreChiller
> > License: DLR23281
> > VIN:
> > Yr/Mk/Mdl: 1999 RT Dodge Viper
> > Miles: 2000.0
> > Weight: 3500.0
> > HP@50 MPH: 12.00
> > Cyl/Disp: 10/8.0 Liter
> > HorsePower Curve Test Results
> > Test Run: 8/31/2000 12:21:31 PM
> > Max Power: 432.1 @ 5000 RPM
> > Max Torque: 492.5 @ 3750 RPM
> > Comments:
> >
> > (Test 4, PreChiller Off)
> > Customer: PFM/PreChiller
> > License: DLR23281
> > VIN:
> > Yr/Mk/Mdl: 1999 RT Dodge Viper
> > Miles: 2000.0
> > Weight: 3500.0
> > HP@50 MPH: 12.00
> > Cyl/Disp: 10/8.0 Liter
> > HorsePower Curve Test Results
> > Test Run: 8/31/2000 12:38:37 AM
> > Max Power: 377.2 @ 5000 RPM
> > Max Torque: 437.7 @ 3750 RPM
> > Comments:
> >
> > -------------------------------------------
> > Steven St.Laurent
> > Test Engineer
> > Test Branch, GSD, MCTSSA
> > MARCORSYSCOM, USMC
> > 760-725-2506 (DSN 365-2506)
> > Work:mailto:stlaurents@mctssa.usmc.mil
> > Home:mailto:saint1958@home.com
> >
> >
>
>
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