Sorry Bernd, apparently in my editing i left out the comment that said
something to the effect of me not knowing anything about the lightning
engine--meant to be more humble in my last post. if i had time right now i'd
follow up what i'm saying with all the goodies they put on the 4.7L
not-to-be-outdone by your description of the lightning engine.
One thing i will say is that the lightning is still not special because it
doesn't take advantage of it's little goodies in it's inherent design,
unlike my 4.7L. You can put go-parts on any stock engine, but unless it's
designed into the block, it's not that amazing to me. You come back and tell
me that the 5.4 is not the same as in other ford trucks and it was
design-specific to that application, then i'll agree with you. But it
wasn't, and i won't. =P
Thanks for the discussion. I didn't know about the upgraded internals.
(makes me wonder why it doesn't push more--yeah yeah, it's going to, blah
blah blah)
Sean Bruckman
----- Original Message -----
From: <bernd@texas.net>
To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: DML: Re: new 270hp S-10
>
> 1) Steel Crank, Forged Pistons, Roller Followers, factory engine...no-
> breakthrough??? I haven't seen anything like it on another truck yet.
(Well,
> let's leave the Japanese out of this one.)
>
> 2) No arguments there... :)
>
> 3) Going by the current line of Dakota's, they're not getting any lighter.
>
> Last comment: So we hope. ;)
>
> - Bernd
>
>
> > I think what needs to be said here is that:
> >
> > 1) the lightning is faster, but no breakthrough! it's supercharged and
> > therefore not in the same catagory. just because it's supercharged
doesn't
> > make it a better engine. there is nothing, i repeat, nothing special
about
> > the lightning. take a look at the 300M "Special" concept that cranks 300
hp
> > and 290+ lb.ft. of torque N/A out of a 3.5L V6. THAT is something
special.
> > (the lightning would have to produce 463hp on premium gas WITHOUT the
> > supercharger/intercooler to achieve that specific output)
> >
> > 2) Ryan is right, the 4.7 and 5.7 are amazing high-tech engines. so,
they
> > are better engines. so, dodge is ahead.
> >
> > 3) the s-10 is lighter, and a more favorable power-to-weight ratio.
> > unfortunately for your argument we're talking about the next-gen s10,
which
> > is a midsize truck and about the same weight as us, theoretically.
> >
> > So what i'm saying is, when the unibody, next-gen S-10 with a 4.8L V8
comes
> > out, we will still be dusting them in HO 4.7L's with 325 horse, stock.
> >
> > Sean Bruckman
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <bernd@texas.net>
> > To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
> > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 8:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: DML: Re: new 270hp S-10
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Exactly right.
> > >
> > > - Bernd
> > >
> > >
> > > > I agree. I mean, I would like to think that Mopar will step up to
the
> > plate
> > > once
> > > > again, but don't discount the GM just because we have a V8 and ours
will
> > be
> > > newer
> > > > and probably have more HP. Yo guys ever hear of "POwer-To-Weight
Ratio"?
> > It
> > > doesn't
> > > > take a rocket scientist to figure out that the S-Trucks are lighter
than
> > the
> > > Daks.
> > > >
> > > > bernd@texas.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Not to defend "the other guys" here...but you stated "Chevy and
Ford
> > are
> > > always
> > > > > one step BEHIND."...explain the Lightning. You know...the truck
that,
> > in
> > > > > factory form, can take most of our modified trucks and chew them
up
> > for
> > > > > breakfast.
> > > > >
> > > > > We spend thousands of dollars on modifications (Superchargers,
> > Headers,
> > > > > Nitrous, Throttle Bodies, Cams, M1's, etc...) and all they have to
do
> > to hit
> > > > > the 12's is a simple air cleaner/mass airflow change and a
> > "chip"...for no
> > > more
> > > > > than $500 in some cases.
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, i'm not trying to defend them...but we need to be a little
bit
> > more
> > > > > careful about what we say about the competition.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Bernd
> > > > >
> > > > > > Yep, but when this comes out it will be too little, too late, as
a
> > new
> > > > > > series of V8s (hemis) will already be in the
Dakotas........Chevy
> > and Ford
> > > > > > are always one step BEHIND. :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Ryan
> > > > > > 99 DA RC R/T
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <Y2KDakuda@aol.com>
> > > > > > To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>; <STLAURENTS@mctssa.usmc.mil>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 12:57 PM
> > > > > > Subject: DML: new 270hp S-10
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://pickuptruck.com/html/future/chevrolet/sseries.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b29 : Fri Jun 20 2003 - 11:56:36 EDT