Sorry couldn't tell from the pics. Still looks good though. On the hood vents I think i'm going to
try to find the part # for them from DC. I don't know if you have acess but if I have a problem
finding out do you have acess to the part #'s at work? Just curious, if you don't no prob, if you do
then great. BTW, it might not look good though but what about one of the vents at the very front of
the hood that the Viper GTS uses to force feed air? I know it delivers alot of air for the v-10
lurking under there and it would be in a perfect spot at the very leading edge of the hood for the
airflow. I am not saying for you to try this but it does give ideas, just have to dwesign a hood and
find a way to get it fiberglassed for a prototype. Maybe even one on either side between the
centerline and the accent line....hmmm. Let me know what you think.
Jeff Durling
'96 RC Sport
KURTZ ERIC wrote:
> Each scoop has its own tunnel for about a foot, then it blends into the
> area that surrounds the TB. The Grand Cherokee 5.9 hood louvers where
> just screwed or bolted over a hole Im pretty sure. Its just shooting
> the louver to the contour of your hood. No big deal really.
> Eric
>
> durling@ibm.net wrote:
> >
> > Whoever posted it before might be right...get in touch with Keystone. Hey, maybe you've got a
> > product. It's at least worth checking into. Another idea on the hood...instead of making one
> > large high area why not do it like the mid 70's trams am's. Where each vent at the front of
> > the hood has its own tunnel going back. You would have to lower the hieght back on top of the
> > tb for asthetics but it woud look really cool on a dak. BTW, it would still keep the same
> > concept for the ram air that you have. Just a thought. Your hoods still a ood idea though ad
> > has several design possibilities for different tastes.
> >
> > Jeff Durling
> > '96 RC Sport
> >
> > p.s. How about accidently picking up a set of those hood vents. hehe. Seriously, did they have
> > a piece on the bottom side of the hood to complete the unit or was the hood molded around
> > them? I am seriously considering this. I live in hot-as-hell florida and that's not even
> > couting the damn humidity.
> >
> > KURTZ ERIC wrote:
> >
> > > Yeah, those Grand Cherokee vents certainly work. I work in the Jeep
> > > design studio so I know that first hand! Believe me, no offense takin
> > > on buying Terry's hood!! I would like to sell a mass of these, but it
> > > will be tough doing it out of my garage!
> > > Eric
> > >
> > > durling@ibm.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > For a guy that's doing all of the work himself at home you have come up with a pretty
> > > > decent hood. Keep up the good work and keeps us posted. BTW, that is another similar
> > > > design that I would consider. The only problem though is that down the road I might put
> > > > an SC in and the hood would be useless. I still like the look of a custom hood but not
> > > > sure what the future may bring. No offense, but since there is already a proven use of
> > > > Terry's hood for the '91-'96 daks if I get one I'll probably go there if I decide on the
> > > > hood route.
> > > >
> > > > I also have to ask, Weren't you also involved in the discussion about drawing the heat
> > > > out of the engine compartment a couple of weeks ago. I was wondering about grafting the
> > > > vents from I believe a '96-'97 Grand Cherokee 5.9 would work. The '91-'96 daks had a
> > > > flat hood like the Cherokee and they are already proven to work by DC engineers. Unless
> > > > they were fake but I remember readung that they were added because the engine produced
> > > > more heat than the 318 so they had to get it out of the engine compartment. Sorry for
> > > > the long post just looking for yours or anybodys opinion on this.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Durling
> > > > '96 RC Sport
> > > >
> > > > KURTZ ERIC wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Check out the nasty pics of my ram air hood. Until paint gets on it
> > > > > you wont be able to see the details, but check out the pictures that Jon
> > > > > so graciously put on the pic list for me.
> > > > > erics5.9@home.com/">http://www.cs.fredonia.edu/~stei0302/www/dakota/attachments/erics5.9@home.com/
> > > > > Eric
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff Durling wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would also be interested in a somewhat guess for Terry's ram-air hood for the
> > > > > > older daks (I know some DML'ers have these). I currently run a 14x3 setup and like
> > > > > > the ram-air hood but I am also looking at a quick-d intake. From the chart I would
> > > > > > have to go with a 8" cone. If there is not very much difference in the 14x3
> > > > > > ram-air hood and the quick-d intake then i'm going with the quick-d only because
> > > > > > it's cheaper. Either setup would go well with the stage I tb but I just want the
> > > > > > best possible setup for the money. I think that some of the other genII owners
> > > > > > would probably be interested to right?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > GS- wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > For those of us seriously considering a shaker hood
> > > > > > > in the future. I thought it might be wise to pull in
> > > > > > > as many FACTS as possible on the shaker hood design.
> > > > > > > Mainly CFM and compare them with say the newer FIPK
> > > > > > > (large cone and tube).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I know there has already been some discussion on looks
> > > > > > > and earlier Cuda shaker design efficiency. Some were
> > > > > > > a little vague. Basically we can't compare the cone
> > > > > > > and the 14x2.5 element because of the different environment
> > > > > > > the shaker offers (Ram Air). I'm not trying to scare everyone
> > > > > > > away. If its to early to get the facts, I'll settle for a
> > > > > > > little theory and or experience. Here are some basics to
> > > > > > > start out with anyway:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 14" K&N 2 1/2" tall: 109.9 Square inches (662.7 CFM)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 8" cone 138.16 Square inches (833.1 CFM)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (Cudos to Charles Smith, I'm borrowing his calculations)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The question now is "What is the CFM (14x2.5)when RAM AIR is added?"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There has to be tons of variables involved in this question.
> > > > > > > so I'll take an average "best guess" from some of the gurus.
> > > > > > > Frank, BruceB, Eric, Patrick, Bernd, Shaun?, Charles, Jon?
> > > > > > > Bill (Tier), Bob, Doc ? Hehe....Jules...?(shocker!)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thanks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > GS -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PS
> > > > > > > Just for grins, heres the great post of CONE, FABM's CFM from Charles:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have done calculations of a bunch of air intakes. Using info found here:
> > > > > > > > http://www.knfilter.com/affacts.htm#SELECT
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Here are my findings:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Stock paper filter: 71.875 Square inches (355.78 CFM)
> > > > > > > > K&N Drop in filter: 71.875 Square inches. (433.40 CFM)
> > > > > > > > 10" K&N 2" tall: 62.8 Square inches (378.84 CFM)
> > > > > > > > 10" K&N 2 1/2" tall: 78.5 Square inches (473.35 CFM)
> > > > > > > > 10" K&N 2 3/4" tall: 86.35 Square inches (520.69 CFM)
> > > > > > > > 10" K&N 3" tall: 94.2 Square inches (555.97 CFM)
> > > > > > > > 14" K&N 2 1/2" tall: 109.9 Square inches (662.7 CFM)
> > > > > > > > 14" K&N 2 3/4" tall: 120.89 Square inches (728.96 CFM)
> > > > > > > > 14" K&N 3" tall (needs mod to rad hose to fit):131.88 Square inches (795.23)
> > > > > > > > 6" cone (The one I have) 103.63 Square inches (787.7 CFM)
> > > > > > > > 8" cone (I will buy if the need arises) 138.16 Square inches (833.1 CFM)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Here are some more interesting numbers:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (CFM ratings on Bruce and Frank's Throttle Bodies)
> > > > > > > > Stage II is around 700cfm. Stage one is around 640cfm. factory is around
> > > > > > > > 565 cfm... Havnt been back to ;the bench" in a while, but thats what I
> > > > > > > > recall as the breakdown...
> > > > > > > > BKB
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Charles smith
> > > > > > > > 1999 Dakota R/T RC
> > > > > > > > 15.0@95 mph (g-tech)
> > > > > > > > Ican2u7176@aol.com (or) Dak99rt@aol.com
> > > > > > > > http://hometown.aol.com/ican2u7176/index.htm
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