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Steven St.Laurent
Test Engineer
Test Branch, GSD, MCTSSA
MARCORSYSCOM, USMC
760-725-2506 (DSN 365-2506)
Work:mailto:stlaurents@mctssa.usmc.mil
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Bruckman [mailto:bruckman@urisp.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 2:47 PM
To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
Subject: DML: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: Tired of getting slammed 4.7L TQ
curve
Easy guys... i cringed when Kenny said not-so-nice stuff about the 4.7, but
i didn't flame him.
I thought about what you said, Matt, but i think i'm gonna have to disagree
and say that perhaps in some cases the dyno graphs on the dodge site are
fairly accurate as an average. One dyno doesn't really prove them wrong in
my mind and you can't base an argument on the technical accuracy of
something that's mostly supposed to be a pretty graphic. (and especially one
with a disclaimer of accuracy under it)
I think the basis of this argument can be explained thus:
Ken "felt" like the 3.9 had a "flatter" torque curve compared to the 4.7L. I
think we might be able to agree he was experiencing that feeling because
when he pushed a little on the 3.9 it gave him a nice, powerful pull. But
let's say it was muted in delivery compared to the surge of raw, god-like
and exuberant energy the 4.7 hit him with.
Okay, that's a little overboard... but we could say simply the 4.7 is punchy
enough that it may feel ackward when you are trying to go slow. =)
Sean Bruckman
----- Original Message -----
From: Barret, Matt <MATT_BARRET@earthtech.com>
To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 3:14 PM
Subject: DML: RE: RE: RE: RE: Tired of getting slammed 4.7L TQ curve
I have stated before, you can't go by those crappy dyno graphs that DC puts
on the website, I mean come on, look at the 3.9L graph they have on there,
their graph says the 3.9L is making 280+ Ftlbs of TQ ???? I'll email you my
dyno graph, take a look at it, it will change your mind about the 4.7L.
Compare it to the 4.7L graph on the internet.
Matt
-----Original Message-----
<From: Kenneth Berntsen [mailto:kenneth@berntsen.cc]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 4:08 PM
>To: 'Barret, Matt '
>Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: Tired of getting slammed 4.7L TQ curve
<Well, actually by the graph Dodge has on the web site, the 4.7 puts out
more
<torque at idle thatn the max of the 3.9. And the 4.7 doesn't have a flat
<curve, it spikes acording again to the graph done by Dodge. All I know is
<for the 4.7 to get moving, and I might add it was a Quadcab, I had to take
<it up to around 1800 RPM. Prolly got more to do with transmission (Auto)
<than the output of the engine.
<My main point is that I hope the torque curve looks more like the curve on
<the current 3.9 or the 5.9 than the one on the new 4.7.
<Actually if you wanna talk flat torque curve, look at the one for the
<Cummins Diesel. Now that's flat.
-----Original Message-----
From: Barret, Matt
To: 'dakota-truck@buffnet.net'
Sent: 8/30/00 1:48 PM
Subject: DML: RE: RE: RE: Tired of getting slammed 4.7L TQ curve
I'd like to see your dyno graph for your 3.9L, apparently you haven't
seen a
dyno graph for a 4.7L, cause its torque curve is as flat or flatter and
ALOT
higher than a stock 3.9L. You are basing your observation on assumption
and
feeling, and not facts. At 1200 rpm the 4.7L puts out more torque to
the
rear wheels than the maximum flywheel torque of a 3.9L (220).
What exactly is "smooth" when referring to the torque curve?? Lets talk
dyno graphs and not what this truck "felt" like or that truck "felt"
like.
I know you're not slamming the 4.7L, but lets talk facts here, instead
of
fiction and dreams.
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Matt--VA--Y2K-HEMI `00 Sport Plus RC
4.7L 5spd. 14.48 @ 92.40 MPH
209.9 RWHP/285 RWTQ
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-----Original Message-----
<From: Kenneth Berntsen [mailto:kenneth@berntsen.cc]
<Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 1:45 PM
<To: 'dakota-truck@buffnet.net'
<Subject: DML: RE: RE: Tired of getting slammed-kinda long
<Ya know,
<HP is one thing but the V6 has something the 4.7 doesn't. Not trying
to
<slam the 4.7 but the 6 and 318 both have a nice smooth torque curve.
When
I
<pull my boat out with my 3.9 I just giver her a little gas to get the
RPMs
<up to around 1200 and she just rolls right up the ramp. Pulled it with
a
<friends 4.7 and yes by all means it pulled it right up the ramp but
just
<didn't seam to come as naturally to that engine. I hope the new 3.7 V6
<doesn't inherit the torque curve of the 4.7.
<Just my 2 cents.
-----Original Message-----
From: Stlaurent Mr Steven [mailto:STLAURENTS@mctssa.usmc.mil]
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 9:48 AM
To: 'dakota-truck@buffnet.net'
Subject: DML: RE: Tired of getting slammed-kinda long
<The problem with the old V6, no Bernd it is not generalization, the HP
was
<not quite there yet. With the new line of V6 coming it will surpass
the
<current V6 and some of the V-8 on the current market.
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Steven St.Laurent
Test Engineer
Test Branch, GSD, MCTSSA
MARCORSYSCOM, USMC
760-725-2506 (DSN 365-2506)
Work:mailto:stlaurents@mctssa.usmc.mil
Home:mailto:saint1958@home.com
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