No just the Lightning. :)
And I can neither confirm nor deny the moron comment.
-Ryan
99 DA RC R/T
----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Shue <nshue@8dot3.com>
To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: DML: Re: new 270hp S-10
> You know, comparing prices on a 2000 model truck, and a truck that hasn't
> been made since 1992, isn't really kosher.
>
> The Syclone stickered in at a littel above $26K it's last year, and with
> production in the 2-3000 range, you know they were jacked up by the
dealers.
> So, we are probably looking at $28K 7-8 years ago. And the Typhoons were
> stickered at $29K, so those were in the low 30's by time the dealers were
> done.
>
> Who cares which one was better. or cheaper. Are we so narrow minded here,
> that unless you praise the Dakota, and rag on anything else, you a moron?
> All other trucks bad...very bad.
>
> Jeez, sometimes I think this place is becoming the Slashdot of
trucks...<G>
>
> --Nick
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan Stewart" <firebird@kymtnnet.org>
> To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 4:21 PM
> Subject: Re: DML: Re: new 270hp S-10
>
>
> > No, OK, most dealers actually charge at LEAST 2k markup. Making the
price
> at
> > least 3k. And for the most part, 14.0 to 14.2 is the average bone stock
> time
> > of a Lightning. Check out nloc.org and f150online.com as this is where I
> get
> > my info. Sorry, that numbers far from impressive for it's price.
Slightly
> > more impressive is the Syclone which cost 27k but pulled of low 13s bone
> > stock. Too bad they are heaping piles of junk. :) And these days, it's
> > starting to appear the new Lightnings are just as much pieces of junk.
:-(
> >
> > -Ryan
> > 99 DA RC R/T
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Stlaurent Mr Steven <STLAURENTS@mctssa.usmc.mil>
> > To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
> > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 5:25 PM
> > Subject: RE: DML: Re: new 270hp S-10
> >
> >
> > > You mean the upper to mid 13s for a 33K truck. No pun intended.
> > >
> > > -------------------------------------------
> > > Steven St.Laurent
> > > Test Engineer
> > > Test Branch, GSD, MCTSSA
> > > MARCORSYSCOM, USMC
> > > 760-725-2506 (DSN 365-2506)
> > > Work:mailto:stlaurents@mctssa.usmc.mil
> > > Home:mailto:saint1958@home.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ryan Stewart [mailto:firebird@kymtnnet.org]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 12:31 PM
> > > To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
> > > Subject: Re: DML: Re: new 270hp S-10
> > >
> > > Whoa there Bernd! First off, Sean is correct, nothing is amazing about
a
> > > truck with a friggin supercharger running low 14s.... I mean, c'mon,
> just
> > > this weekend Charles Smith ran faster than 80% of stock Lightnings
with
> > > $1900 in mods NATURALLY ASPIRATED!!! THAT actually makes the Lightning
> > seem
> > > kinda, um, well, UNimpressive.
> > >
> > > Second, originally anyhow, I was talking about compact/midsize trucks
as
> > the
> > > thread was about S10s.
> > >
> > > Sorry if I seemed to flame a little, but I get tired of people telling
> me
> > > how incredible it is to pay $35000 for a 2WD Supercharged truck that
> does
> > > friggin low 14s..... It's actually pretty pitiful......
> > >
> > > -Ryan
> > > 99 DA RC R/T
> > > Paid 16500. Gimme 2100 and I'll take out any stock Lightning for under
> > 20k.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Sean Bruckman <bruckman@urisp.com>
> > > To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 4:32 PM
> > > Subject: Re: DML: Re: new 270hp S-10
> > >
> > >
> > > > I think what needs to be said here is that:
> > > >
> > > > 1) the lightning is faster, but no breakthrough! it's supercharged
and
> > > > therefore not in the same catagory. just because it's supercharged
> > doesn't
> > > > make it a better engine. there is nothing, i repeat, nothing special
> > about
> > > > the lightning. take a look at the 300M "Special" concept that cranks
> 300
> > > hp
> > > > and 290+ lb.ft. of torque N/A out of a 3.5L V6. THAT is something
> > > special.
> > > > (the lightning would have to produce 463hp on premium gas WITHOUT
the
> > > > supercharger/intercooler to achieve that specific output)
> > > >
> > > > 2) Ryan is right, the 4.7 and 5.7 are amazing high-tech engines. so,
> > they
> > > > are better engines. so, dodge is ahead.
> > > >
> > > > 3) the s-10 is lighter, and a more favorable power-to-weight ratio.
> > > > unfortunately for your argument we're talking about the next-gen
s10,
> > > which
> > > > is a midsize truck and about the same weight as us, theoretically.
> > > >
> > > > So what i'm saying is, when the unibody, next-gen S-10 with a 4.8L
V8
> > > comes
> > > > out, we will still be dusting them in HO 4.7L's with 325 horse,
stock.
> > > >
> > > > Sean Bruckman
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <bernd@texas.net>
> > > > To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 8:23 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: DML: Re: new 270hp S-10
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Exactly right.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Bernd
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I agree. I mean, I would like to think that Mopar will step up
to
> > the
> > > > plate
> > > > > once
> > > > > > again, but don't discount the GM just because we have a V8 and
> ours
> > > will
> > > > be
> > > > > newer
> > > > > > and probably have more HP. Yo guys ever hear of "POwer-To-Weight
> > > Ratio"?
> > > > It
> > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > take a rocket scientist to figure out that the S-Trucks are
> lighter
> > > than
> > > > the
> > > > > Daks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > bernd@texas.net wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not to defend "the other guys" here...but you stated "Chevy
and
> > Ford
> > > > are
> > > > > always
> > > > > > > one step BEHIND."...explain the Lightning. You know...the
truck
> > > that,
> > > > in
> > > > > > > factory form, can take most of our modified trucks and chew
them
> > up
> > > > for
> > > > > > > breakfast.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We spend thousands of dollars on modifications (Superchargers,
> > > > Headers,
> > > > > > > Nitrous, Throttle Bodies, Cams, M1's, etc...) and all they
have
> to
> > > do
> > > > to hit
> > > > > > > the 12's is a simple air cleaner/mass airflow change and a
> > > > "chip"...for no
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > than $500 in some cases.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Again, i'm not trying to defend them...but we need to be a
> little
> > > bit
> > > > more
> > > > > > > careful about what we say about the competition.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Bernd
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yep, but when this comes out it will be too little, too
late,
> as
> > a
> > > > new
> > > > > > > > series of V8s (hemis) will already be in the
> > Dakotas........Chevy
> > > > and Ford
> > > > > > > > are always one step BEHIND. :)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -Ryan
> > > > > > > > 99 DA RC R/T
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: <Y2KDakuda@aol.com>
> > > > > > > > To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>; <STLAURENTS@mctssa.usmc.mil>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 12:57 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: DML: new 270hp S-10
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://pickuptruck.com/html/future/chevrolet/sseries.html
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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