You know, comparing prices on a 2000 model truck, and a truck that hasn't
been made since 1992, isn't really kosher.
The Syclone stickered in at a littel above $26K it's last year, and with
production in the 2-3000 range, you know they were jacked up by the dealers.
So, we are probably looking at $28K 7-8 years ago. And the Typhoons were
stickered at $29K, so those were in the low 30's by time the dealers were
done.
Who cares which one was better. or cheaper. Are we so narrow minded here,
that unless you praise the Dakota, and rag on anything else, you a moron?
All other trucks bad...very bad.
Jeez, sometimes I think this place is becoming the Slashdot of trucks...<G>
--Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Stewart" <firebird@kymtnnet.org>
To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: DML: Re: new 270hp S-10
> No, OK, most dealers actually charge at LEAST 2k markup. Making the price
at
> least 3k. And for the most part, 14.0 to 14.2 is the average bone stock
time
> of a Lightning. Check out nloc.org and f150online.com as this is where I
get
> my info. Sorry, that numbers far from impressive for it's price. Slightly
> more impressive is the Syclone which cost 27k but pulled of low 13s bone
> stock. Too bad they are heaping piles of junk. :) And these days, it's
> starting to appear the new Lightnings are just as much pieces of junk. :-(
>
> -Ryan
> 99 DA RC R/T
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stlaurent Mr Steven <STLAURENTS@mctssa.usmc.mil>
> To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 5:25 PM
> Subject: RE: DML: Re: new 270hp S-10
>
>
> > You mean the upper to mid 13s for a 33K truck. No pun intended.
> >
> > -------------------------------------------
> > Steven St.Laurent
> > Test Engineer
> > Test Branch, GSD, MCTSSA
> > MARCORSYSCOM, USMC
> > 760-725-2506 (DSN 365-2506)
> > Work:mailto:stlaurents@mctssa.usmc.mil
> > Home:mailto:saint1958@home.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ryan Stewart [mailto:firebird@kymtnnet.org]
> > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 12:31 PM
> > To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
> > Subject: Re: DML: Re: new 270hp S-10
> >
> > Whoa there Bernd! First off, Sean is correct, nothing is amazing about a
> > truck with a friggin supercharger running low 14s.... I mean, c'mon,
just
> > this weekend Charles Smith ran faster than 80% of stock Lightnings with
> > $1900 in mods NATURALLY ASPIRATED!!! THAT actually makes the Lightning
> seem
> > kinda, um, well, UNimpressive.
> >
> > Second, originally anyhow, I was talking about compact/midsize trucks as
> the
> > thread was about S10s.
> >
> > Sorry if I seemed to flame a little, but I get tired of people telling
me
> > how incredible it is to pay $35000 for a 2WD Supercharged truck that
does
> > friggin low 14s..... It's actually pretty pitiful......
> >
> > -Ryan
> > 99 DA RC R/T
> > Paid 16500. Gimme 2100 and I'll take out any stock Lightning for under
> 20k.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Sean Bruckman <bruckman@urisp.com>
> > To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
> > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 4:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: DML: Re: new 270hp S-10
> >
> >
> > > I think what needs to be said here is that:
> > >
> > > 1) the lightning is faster, but no breakthrough! it's supercharged and
> > > therefore not in the same catagory. just because it's supercharged
> doesn't
> > > make it a better engine. there is nothing, i repeat, nothing special
> about
> > > the lightning. take a look at the 300M "Special" concept that cranks
300
> > hp
> > > and 290+ lb.ft. of torque N/A out of a 3.5L V6. THAT is something
> > special.
> > > (the lightning would have to produce 463hp on premium gas WITHOUT the
> > > supercharger/intercooler to achieve that specific output)
> > >
> > > 2) Ryan is right, the 4.7 and 5.7 are amazing high-tech engines. so,
> they
> > > are better engines. so, dodge is ahead.
> > >
> > > 3) the s-10 is lighter, and a more favorable power-to-weight ratio.
> > > unfortunately for your argument we're talking about the next-gen s10,
> > which
> > > is a midsize truck and about the same weight as us, theoretically.
> > >
> > > So what i'm saying is, when the unibody, next-gen S-10 with a 4.8L V8
> > comes
> > > out, we will still be dusting them in HO 4.7L's with 325 horse, stock.
> > >
> > > Sean Bruckman
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <bernd@texas.net>
> > > To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 8:23 AM
> > > Subject: Re: DML: Re: new 270hp S-10
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Exactly right.
> > > >
> > > > - Bernd
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I agree. I mean, I would like to think that Mopar will step up to
> the
> > > plate
> > > > once
> > > > > again, but don't discount the GM just because we have a V8 and
ours
> > will
> > > be
> > > > newer
> > > > > and probably have more HP. Yo guys ever hear of "POwer-To-Weight
> > Ratio"?
> > > It
> > > > doesn't
> > > > > take a rocket scientist to figure out that the S-Trucks are
lighter
> > than
> > > the
> > > > Daks.
> > > > >
> > > > > bernd@texas.net wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Not to defend "the other guys" here...but you stated "Chevy and
> Ford
> > > are
> > > > always
> > > > > > one step BEHIND."...explain the Lightning. You know...the truck
> > that,
> > > in
> > > > > > factory form, can take most of our modified trucks and chew them
> up
> > > for
> > > > > > breakfast.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We spend thousands of dollars on modifications (Superchargers,
> > > Headers,
> > > > > > Nitrous, Throttle Bodies, Cams, M1's, etc...) and all they have
to
> > do
> > > to hit
> > > > > > the 12's is a simple air cleaner/mass airflow change and a
> > > "chip"...for no
> > > > more
> > > > > > than $500 in some cases.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Again, i'm not trying to defend them...but we need to be a
little
> > bit
> > > more
> > > > > > careful about what we say about the competition.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Bernd
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yep, but when this comes out it will be too little, too late,
as
> a
> > > new
> > > > > > > series of V8s (hemis) will already be in the
> Dakotas........Chevy
> > > and Ford
> > > > > > > are always one step BEHIND. :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Ryan
> > > > > > > 99 DA RC R/T
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: <Y2KDakuda@aol.com>
> > > > > > > To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>; <STLAURENTS@mctssa.usmc.mil>
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 12:57 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: DML: new 270hp S-10
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://pickuptruck.com/html/future/chevrolet/sseries.html
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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