My thoughts exactly john. being a Mopar owner and fan, I'm proud to ha ve
this car and driver in the Mopar camp. JMO
-Ryan
99 DA RC R/T
Where's Ford's 10 second Escort or Focus? Hehehe. What about Chibbies ten
second Cavvy?
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Steiger <jon@dakota-truck.net>
To: <dakota-truck-moderator@twisted.twistedbits.net>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: DML: Sub 12 Neon Turbo-Truth or Facts
> STLAURENTS@mctssa.usmc.mil (Stlaurent Mr Steven) wrote in
> <A58A344E318AD21190C5004095103E720188516C@mctssa02.mctssa.usmc.mil>:
>
> >Since most Neon run into 16.xx on the average for the 1/4 mile, I cannot
> >see even with a 8PSI Turbo unit, which is a safe zone for the drive
> >train and engine components to outrun even a stock Viper. The Viper GTS
> >runs 12.2-12.4 in the 1/4 mile on stock drive train. Now you see my
> >point.
> >
> >Since I have seen the numbers for a Whipple SC Neon motor, the 1/4 mile
> >times doesn't match with this comparo. Ryan, even with a 6 or 8PSI, you
> >will only get around 200-215HP at the front drive train and no more.
> >With this in mind, the Neon is only going to produce around a low 15 or
> >high 14 at the most depending on which tires the dude is running. Then
> >add a few other extras, he may make it into the low 14. Even comparing
> >weight of a mere 600 lbs difference is not going to help the Neon.
> >
> >What I am seeing here is 16PSI or better and plus some other stuff keep
> >it from failing on the street or strip while running below the 12.x
> >range. Maybe a bottle on top a turbo. There is no way...no way he
> >running something that low and beating a Viper GTS. If he were, I would
> >opt to buy a Neon and load it. To much money in investing into the Neon
> >to keep the car together for both street and strip.
> >
> >What he saying and what is reality is another story.
> >
>
>
> He doesn't actually say what boost level he is running on his site (not
that
> I can see, anyway), but I do agree that he is obviously running a mess of
it.
> I wouldn't be surprised at all if he were running in excess of 20psi.
But...
> Some motors can take it, when they've been built for it. (One example is
a
> tractor pull motor which I *think* will commonly run around 100psi of
boost (I
> would have to look that up for sure, but it is a heck of a lot of boost))
:-)
>
> Anyway, he is indeed running a 100hp shot of nitrous on top of the
blower.
> (This is actually quite common on imports and the like who run a single
large
> turbo; they generally don't start making big power until the mid or upper
rpms
> so they need the nitrous off the line to boost low end power. I don't
know how
> Len's Neon is set up, but I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case.
Plus,
> nitrous makes a great "intercooler".) The page says he is using forged
pistons
> and billet connecting rods, so they have obviously done some work to beef
it
> up. If it holds together, more power to 'em! (no pun intended) ;-) He
makes
> his runs on slicks, and the car's race weight (with driver) is 2400lbs.
>
> I'm a bit confused by the hostility this car has generated. I see no
reason
> to doubt what they have said on the web site, and if anything we should be
> offering Len and Hahn Turbo Systems our kudos for building such a neat
Mopar
> that will open some eyes and blow some minds. :-)
>
> I also don't see anything wrong with a vehicle that runs higher boost at
the
> track than it does on the street. Its usually a compromise; many people
are
> willing to up the boost for short periods to turn good times, but they may
not
> want their engine running on the ragged edge all of the time. In fact,
this is
> exactly what nitrous users do... For those people who can't afford to
build a
> motor up to the level where it will take full power full time, being able
to
> alter the power level offers them the best of both worlds... I believe
the car
> is driven year round, and someone said he is located in IL; I sure
wouldn't
> want to drive a 600hp Neon in the snow! Anyhoo, everybody's situation is
> different and I guess it just boils down to "to each his own"...
>
>
> --
>
> -Jon-
>
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