hey crit and gang, having the same problems with toronado, nice working for
carmax now, having a top dealer to fix it
Chris Lang wrote:
> I've got pretty much the same symtoms will, I cant shift into first without
> being COMPLETELY STOPPED if its moving at all it will grind. And you
> already know all about my syncros and thrid gear. Its nice to see I'm not
> the only one who has this happen but it would be nice if they could put a
> tranny in these trucks that would last longer than 8000 or so miles. Mine
> is being replaced because of the large amount of metal shavings inside the
> tranny fluid according to them. I'm assuming they've seen this before
> because they werent at all suprised and they called me an hour after I
> dropped it off with them with the diagnosis.
>
> >From: "Will Coughlin" <willcoughlin@hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: dakota-truck@BUFFNET.NET
> >To: dakota-truck@BUFFNET.NET
> >Subject: Re: DML: 5 speed problem
> >Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:11:17 -0500
> >
> >Chris,My tranny is just plain sloppy. The synchros seem to be weak. I have
> >learned to double clutch to downshift, because it seems much easier. When I
> >am coasting, and rounding a corner, try to throw it down into second, it
> >just takes forever for the synchros to spin up and for it to finally fall
> >in
> >gear with lots of pressure from the shifter! I wouldn't attmept to shift
> >into first at anything more than a 2-3 mph roll. I've tried it at 10, 20,
> >and 25 mph. At 10 mph, it took 4 seconds of me applying hard pressure for
> >it
> >to go into gear. At 20 mph, it took a little more than 7 seconds. At 25, I
> >held it for 12 seconds, and when I thought it was finally going to slide
> >into gear, it just kind of got hung, and I could feel the gear "buzzing".
> >Not grinding, I didn't push it that far, it just kind of touched the other
> >gear. On cool mornings, it will grind second on the first couple of 1-2
> >shifts. Sometimes when I try to go to 3rd, it will get hung. I have had to
> >stop in the middle of the road because I couldn't get the shifter to go
> >anywhere. I just stopped, eased out on the clutch until the shifter jumped
> >out of wherever it was hung, and started over in 1st!. I have a cavtation
> >noise in 5th gear, at rpms ranging from 1000-3000. It seems to be as bad or
> >worse at lower rpm's. I have a lot of bearing noise at low rpms that gets a
> >little worse when warm, but is always present. Reverse has a mind of it's
> >own too. Sometimes, I will go to throw it in reverse, it falls into gear
> >perfectly, no resistance, no excessive pressure required. But sometimes, I
> >will try to hit it and the shifter just won't go back. I have to move it
> >back to Nuetral, clutch out and back in ,then it may or may not require a
> >lot of pressure. I have 13,197 miles on the truck right now. The low rpm
> >bearing noise started at about 800- 1000 miles, or the second day I had the
> >truck! The rest wasn't far behind. The cold shift grind just developed this
> >past winter, as it was getting cold. I don't think that an NV 4500 would be
> >too big a problem, but the only real problem I see is the size of the
> >tranny
> >tunnel in a Dakota. Oh, and you're 4x4. I'm not sure if your current T-case
> >would mate to the NV-4500 output shaft/tailhousing. I have reason to
> >believe
> >the bell housing would bolt to the 4.7L, becuase the NV-3500 bolts to a
> >318,a 318 bolts to a 46RE, a 360 bolts to a 46RE, and the NV 4500 bolts to
> >a
> >360! Did you follow that?? Oh, I asked one dealer(not the one I use) if the
> >tranny would have to just grenade itself in the middle of the highway
> >before
> >they would listen to me and do something about it, and they replied with-"
> >If it still gets power from the engine to the rearend, it's fine by us!,
> >Talk to us when it won't transfer power any longer. Our advice is to drive
> >the living hell out of it until it falls to completely out, then deal with
> >it!" Ha! What kind of service is that?? Luckily I don't have to deal with
> >people like that at the dealer I really use. I have a couple of friends who
> >have had or do have 318/NV-3500 Dakota's. Buddy #1- his '97 318/NV-3500
> >reg.
> >cab blew a tranny at 11,000 miles. It was replaced under warranty and he
> >traded the truck with 18,000 on it and it had the same symptoms developing
> >again. #2-'98 318/NV3500 reg. cab. Blew tranny #1 at 9,000 miles, took over
> >5 moinths to get a replacement, blew tranny #2 at 18,000 miles. Replaced
> >again and truck has 23,xxx on it now doing fine! #3- '98 318/NV-3500 reg
> >cab
> >blew tranny #1 at 7,500 miles, tranny #2 at 13,000 miles, tranny #3 at
> >17,000 miles and it is getting bad again right now with 25,000 miles. WhenI
> >first carried it to the local dealer(didn't buy it there) for the 4.7L idle
> >fluctuation, it had 1100 miles on it. The service manager was looking at my
> >truck and he says to me "I see it's a V8 with the 5-speed. Do you want me
> >to
> >go ahead an order another tranny to have on hand when yours gives way? Do
> >you want to go ahead and make an appointment? I' rarely see one that's
> >lasted more than 10,000 mi." That made me feel real good about my brand new
> >truck! He still messes with me everytime I'm down there. He'll ask me how
> >many miles are on the truck and when he is going to get to drive it into
> >the
> >shop! Sorry for the length! Just venting a little here! HTH,
> >
> >
> >Will Coughlin willcoughlin@hotmail.com
> >'00 reg.cab,2wd,4.7L/NV-3500HD5-spd/3.92sg(9.25")
> >http://www.geocities.com/willcoughlin/index.html
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: "Chris Lang" <langerdak@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> >The Bug is here! It really bothers me that my truck is being torn apart
> >and
> >I'm sure it will be a problem in the future as well with some annoyances
> >due
> >to the replacement. A NV 4500 would be very nice to have in the truck... I
> >wonder how much more it would be to put one in over a 3500. I just picked
> >the truck up and the dealer said the syncros are gone for third gear and
> >there was a LARGE amount of metal shavings in the fluid. I do occaisonally
> >slam the gears and grab rubber on the 2 and 3 shifts but it shouldnt cause
> >the tranny to crap out at 8600 miles! But I've been wondering... I've run
> >85 in third gear could that have led to the problems I'm having with it?
> >From what I've heard around here it sounds like a good number of these
> >trannys are defective or just plain can't handle the abuses of everyday
> >grandma driving. What kind of troubles are you having with your
> >transmission
> >will? and how many miles are on your truck? We basically have the same
> >truck with the addition of 4 wheel drive in mine so it would be intresting
> >to see how they hold up for each of us and our different driving styles.
> >
> >Chris
> > - Waiting on NV3500 #2 at 8600 miles
> >
> >
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