Re: Re: RE: Service Manuals Project

From: Dakatack (dakattack@attbi.com)
Date: Fri Jun 14 2002 - 13:27:11 EDT


Copying the FSM is not the same as sharing a book. If you share a book, you
are not making a copy. It's one book. If both people want to reference the
book at the same time, someone has to buy another copy.

Making a copy of the FSM if illegal and improper. It's not ours to
distribute. What ever happened to personal ethics and honesty? We all make
mistakes in life but we have had enough time to see this potential mistake
coming and avoid it.

Why not attempt to get a group buy on them instead?

Don't waste everyone's time flaming me on the DML. Flames can be sent
directly to fogbot2@aol.com

Patrick O'Day

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Nowak" <got-speed@cox.net>
To: <dakota-truck-moderator@bent.twistedbits.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: DML: Re: RE: Service Manuals Project

>
> Its legal to buy a book and share it right ? To pass it around from person
> to person. Well by putting the book on floppy disk (or whatever) we are
> essentially doing the same thing, but making it easier to pass around. We
> cannot be held liable if someone makes a copy for their own personal use.
>
> I think this idea would work if we include a disclaimer on the "first
page"
> of the pdf.
>
> Then we could email it around amongst us with the disclaimer in our email
> saying when you are done looking at it please delete any trace of it from
> your computer and pass it on to the next guy.
>
> It could work.
> Each of you should look around your house..... I am sure you will find at
> least one copied cd of some sort.... is that legal ??
> People in VA using radar detectors.... they use em anyway but is it legal
?
> I think if we keep to ourself and not do anything dumb like sell it on
ebay
> for profit, then it could be done amonst ourselves.
>
> Please don't flame, its just my 2 cents and yeah I want my change....
>
> Marty
>
>
>
>
> ""Gary Hedlin"" <ghedlin@theramp.net> wrote in message
> news:aecuei$5cd$1@bent.twistedbits.net...
> >
> > Guys.... this is not brain surgery! Splitting hairs will get us
nowhere.
> >
> > I've got 3 people that want to do this already. I think if we kept this
> > between ourselves, nobody's going to complain. Agian, if we already own
> the
> > manuals, creating the PDF files is well within our rights. As far as
> > sharing them, well we may need to explore our options.
> >
> > I would rather do the work, send the PDF files to the owner of the
manual,
> > and let them decide where they want to go.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Gary Hedlin
> > "The Crazy Quadraplegic"
> > ghedlin@theramp.net (business)
> > ragingquad@yahoo.com (personal)
> > **Also Webmaster For**
> > http://garyhedlin.com
> > http://socaldakota.com
> > http://scsilverdak.com
> > http://assistivetechnologies.com
> > ...And Many More!
> >
> > ""Andy Levy"" <andylevy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:aecsih$3id$1@bent.twistedbits.net...
> > >
> > > You really think it will be that anonymous? We leave a trail
> everywhere.
> > > They can find the DML archives. The hosting ISP could give up logs
and
> > > names when lawysers threaten.
> > >
> > > "aww, c'mon, who's gonna get hurt" really isn't a valid defense
against
> > > this. The FSM states on PAGE ONE that any storage & distribution of
the
> > > contents is prohiubited without express consent from Chrysler.
> > >
> > > ""Martin Nowak"" <got-speed@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > news:aecr29$2je$1@bent.twistedbits.net...
> > > >
> > > > There is intrest in the project....Count me.
> > > >
> > > > One thing that comes to mind is just doing it (the electronic copy)
> and
> > > toss
> > > > it out on the web on a site somewhere. If by chance chrysler did
find
> > it,
> > > > who would they blame ?? Noone. They would just ask the hosting isp
to
> > take
> > > > it down.
> > > >
> > > > Marty
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ""Gary Hedlin"" <ghedlin@theramp.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:aecd9o$qig$1@bent.twistedbits.net...
> > > > >
> > > > > I've ran into this problem before. As far as the manuals being
> > > accessable
> > > > > to the general public, there's no way I would even THINK about
doing
> > > this
> > > > > unless there were controlls put in place to only allow certian
> people
> > to
> > > > > access them. They WILL NOT be available to the general public.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me put it this way, It would be illegal for me to take ANY
> book,
> > > scan
> > > > > it, and post it online to the general public. The same as if I
took
> > the
> > > > > files, ran off 1,000 coppies on my Xerox printer (which I am more
> than
> > > > > capable of doing) and sold them on e-bay.
> > > > >
> > > > > In no way would doing this (the project) be considered
distribution
> > > > because
> > > > > (a) the general public does not have access and (b) a person has
the
> > > right
> > > > > to put something he bought into an accessable format for personal
> use.
> > > > >
> > > > > At this point, I'm not even sure I can get enough interest in this
> > > project
> > > > > to make it worthwhile. If there is enough interest, I am sure a
> > private
> > > > > orginization like ourselves has the right to have a private
> collection
> > > for
> > > > > use over electronic means.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Gary Hedlin
> > > > > "The Crazy Quadraplegic"
> > > > > ghedlin@theramp.net (business)
> > > > > ragingquad@yahoo.com (personal)
> > > > > **Also Webmaster For**
> > > > > http://garyhedlin.com
> > > > > http://socaldakota.com
> > > > > http://scsilverdak.com
> > > > > http://assistivetechnologies.com
> > > > > ...And Many More!
> > > > >
> > > > > "Michael Clark" <dml@mikesdakota.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:144209073343.20020614035425@mikesdakota.com...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, all I need is the manuals... The rest is easy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Plus, I've got a lot of time on my hands annyway :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You might want to think about the legal aspects of
> > > > > > posting whole manuals online. I'm sure the publishing
> > > > > > company that produces these manuals would love to turn
> > > > > > their legal department loose on something like this.
> > > > > > It would be GREAT if you could do this though. I would
> > > > > > just hate to see you go to all that trouble, just to
> > > > > > get into serious trouble...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Mike
> > > > > > www.mikesdakota.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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