Speak of the devil.... I'm already talking with someone about a group buy.
Looks like if I can get 10+ people in on it, were looking at $60-$75 each
I'll keep you guys posted.
Gary Hedlin
"The Crazy Quadraplegic"
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""Martin Nowak"" <got-speed@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> Hey i'm game for a group buy, but I doubt Chrysler will go for it.
>
> Marty
>
>
>
> ""Dakatack"" <dakattack@attbi.com> wrote in message
> news:009301c213c8$b80334c0$095de00c@attbi.com...
> >
> > Copying the FSM is not the same as sharing a book. If you share a book,
> you
> > are not making a copy. It's one book. If both people want to reference
the
> > book at the same time, someone has to buy another copy.
> >
> > Making a copy of the FSM if illegal and improper. It's not ours to
> > distribute. What ever happened to personal ethics and honesty? We all
make
> > mistakes in life but we have had enough time to see this potential
mistake
> > coming and avoid it.
> >
> > Why not attempt to get a group buy on them instead?
> >
> > Don't waste everyone's time flaming me on the DML. Flames can be sent
> > directly to fogbot2@aol.com
> >
> > Patrick O'Day
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Martin Nowak" <got-speed@cox.net>
> > To: <dakota-truck-moderator@bent.twistedbits.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 8:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: DML: Re: RE: Service Manuals Project
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Its legal to buy a book and share it right ? To pass it around from
> person
> > > to person. Well by putting the book on floppy disk (or whatever) we
are
> > > essentially doing the same thing, but making it easier to pass around.
> We
> > > cannot be held liable if someone makes a copy for their own personal
> use.
> > >
> > > I think this idea would work if we include a disclaimer on the "first
> > page"
> > > of the pdf.
> > >
> > > Then we could email it around amongst us with the disclaimer in our
> email
> > > saying when you are done looking at it please delete any trace of it
> from
> > > your computer and pass it on to the next guy.
> > >
> > > It could work.
> > > Each of you should look around your house..... I am sure you will find
> at
> > > least one copied cd of some sort.... is that legal ??
> > > People in VA using radar detectors.... they use em anyway but is it
> legal
> > ?
> > > I think if we keep to ourself and not do anything dumb like sell it on
> > ebay
> > > for profit, then it could be done amonst ourselves.
> > >
> > > Please don't flame, its just my 2 cents and yeah I want my change....
> > >
> > > Marty
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ""Gary Hedlin"" <ghedlin@theramp.net> wrote in message
> > > news:aecuei$5cd$1@bent.twistedbits.net...
> > > >
> > > > Guys.... this is not brain surgery! Splitting hairs will get us
> > nowhere.
> > > >
> > > > I've got 3 people that want to do this already. I think if we kept
> this
> > > > between ourselves, nobody's going to complain. Agian, if we already
> own
> > > the
> > > > manuals, creating the PDF files is well within our rights. As far
as
> > > > sharing them, well we may need to explore our options.
> > > >
> > > > I would rather do the work, send the PDF files to the owner of the
> > manual,
> > > > and let them decide where they want to go.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Gary Hedlin
> > > > "The Crazy Quadraplegic"
> > > > ghedlin@theramp.net (business)
> > > > ragingquad@yahoo.com (personal)
> > > > **Also Webmaster For**
> > > > http://garyhedlin.com
> > > > http://socaldakota.com
> > > > http://scsilverdak.com
> > > > http://assistivetechnologies.com
> > > > ...And Many More!
> > > >
> > > > ""Andy Levy"" <andylevy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:aecsih$3id$1@bent.twistedbits.net...
> > > > >
> > > > > You really think it will be that anonymous? We leave a trail
> > > everywhere.
> > > > > They can find the DML archives. The hosting ISP could give up
logs
> > and
> > > > > names when lawysers threaten.
> > > > >
> > > > > "aww, c'mon, who's gonna get hurt" really isn't a valid defense
> > against
> > > > > this. The FSM states on PAGE ONE that any storage & distribution
of
> > the
> > > > > contents is prohiubited without express consent from Chrysler.
> > > > >
> > > > > ""Martin Nowak"" <got-speed@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:aecr29$2je$1@bent.twistedbits.net...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is intrest in the project....Count me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One thing that comes to mind is just doing it (the electronic
> copy)
> > > and
> > > > > toss
> > > > > > it out on the web on a site somewhere. If by chance chrysler did
> > find
> > > > it,
> > > > > > who would they blame ?? Noone. They would just ask the hosting
isp
> > to
> > > > take
> > > > > > it down.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marty
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ""Gary Hedlin"" <ghedlin@theramp.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:aecd9o$qig$1@bent.twistedbits.net...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've ran into this problem before. As far as the manuals
being
> > > > > accessable
> > > > > > > to the general public, there's no way I would even THINK about
> > doing
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > unless there were controlls put in place to only allow certian
> > > people
> > > > to
> > > > > > > access them. They WILL NOT be available to the general
public.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let me put it this way, It would be illegal for me to take
ANY
> > > book,
> > > > > scan
> > > > > > > it, and post it online to the general public. The same as if
I
> > took
> > > > the
> > > > > > > files, ran off 1,000 coppies on my Xerox printer (which I am
> more
> > > than
> > > > > > > capable of doing) and sold them on e-bay.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In no way would doing this (the project) be considered
> > distribution
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > > (a) the general public does not have access and (b) a person
has
> > the
> > > > > right
> > > > > > > to put something he bought into an accessable format for
> personal
> > > use.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At this point, I'm not even sure I can get enough interest in
> this
> > > > > project
> > > > > > > to make it worthwhile. If there is enough interest, I am sure
a
> > > > private
> > > > > > > orginization like ourselves has the right to have a private
> > > collection
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > use over electronic means.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Gary Hedlin
> > > > > > > "The Crazy Quadraplegic"
> > > > > > > ghedlin@theramp.net (business)
> > > > > > > ragingquad@yahoo.com (personal)
> > > > > > > **Also Webmaster For**
> > > > > > > http://garyhedlin.com
> > > > > > > http://socaldakota.com
> > > > > > > http://scsilverdak.com
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> > > > > > > ...And Many More!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Michael Clark" <dml@mikesdakota.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:144209073343.20020614035425@mikesdakota.com...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Well, all I need is the manuals... The rest is easy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Plus, I've got a lot of time on my hands annyway :)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You might want to think about the legal aspects of
> > > > > > > > posting whole manuals online. I'm sure the publishing
> > > > > > > > company that produces these manuals would love to turn
> > > > > > > > their legal department loose on something like this.
> > > > > > > > It would be GREAT if you could do this though. I would
> > > > > > > > just hate to see you go to all that trouble, just to
> > > > > > > > get into serious trouble...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --Mike
> > > > > > > > www.mikesdakota.com
> > > > > > > >
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