I think I used the Marine version - single ply and easy to poke with the
finger when wiping.
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Steven St.Laurent
C4i System Engineer
C4i Engineering Branch, PSD, MCTSSA
MARCORSYSCOM, U.S. Marine Corps
Office (760) 725-2506 (DSN Prefix: 365)
"Never be content with somebody else definition
of you. Instead, define yourself by your own beliefs,
your own truths, your own understanding of who
you are. Never be content until you are happy with
the unique person GOD has created you to be."
-----Original Message-----
From: Bernd D. Ratsch [mailto:bernd@texas.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 7:51 AM
To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
Subject: RE: DML: RE: Frantz Oil Filters are Back
But the real question is: Do you use Cottonelle, Charmin, Scott, or
Northern...and quilted or non-quilted? ;) (I want to make sure my oil
is comfortable when it's being cleaned.) LOL
- Bernd
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
[mailto:owner-dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net] On Behalf Of Stlaurent Mr
Steven
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 7:26 AM
To: 'dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net'
Subject: RE: DML: RE: Frantz Oil Filters are Back
Since I had use the product back in 1984 I can only testified after
using the product for five solid years, it does work. The buyer before
handing the cash over on an 85K mileage vehicle was determined to have
it inspected at the local dealership. The dealer remarked that the
compression was at the same level as when the car was brand new.
However, after seeing the Frantz Oil filter, the dealership told the guy
that the product never work and they would be glad to remove it. What
an idiot...the dealer removes it and kept the filter while the moron
start using the dealership filters. "...you just can't help STUPID
PEOPLE..."
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Steven St.Laurent
C4i System Engineer
C4i Engineering Branch, PSD, MCTSSA
MARCORSYSCOM, U.S. Marine Corps
Office (760) 725-2506 (DSN Prefix: 365)
"Never be content with somebody else definition
of you. Instead, define yourself by your own beliefs,
your own truths, your own understanding of who
you are. Never be content until you are happy with
the unique person GOD has created you to be."
-----Original Message-----
From: jon@dakota-truck.net [mailto:jon@dakota-truck.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:39 PM
To: dakota-truck-moderator@bent.twistedbits.net
Subject: Re: DML: RE: Frantz Oil Filters are Back
"Wisotzkey, Rich" <Rich.Wisotzkey@gd-ns.com> wrote:
: I want some of their medication! Anyone that can ask $165 for one oil
: filter has got to have some good stuff.
: Rich - Ashburn, VA
For sure - sign me up! ;-)
I have never heard of this filter and haven't given it a real in depth
look, but just a glance at their web site set up red flags all over the
place - they seem to have some real problems. Please correct me if I
have come away with incorrect info but here is what their web site
appears to be saying:
Frantz: "Don't CHANGE your oil, CLEAN your oil continually..."
Me: They didn't specify, but I assume they are advocating leaving
the filter in place and running the same oil. It doesn't work
like this - I don't care how well it filters, oil breaks down,
which is a big reason why it should be changed. Unless you can
test your oil occasionally to see when it is time to change,
the
most economical way is to just replace the oil at predetermined
intervals.
Frantz: "Most cars come equipped with filters. Yet, you have to keep
changing the oil, changing the filter cartridge, and then, you
still end up putting miles on that engine while running on
dirty oil!"
Me: Ummm, what? If you change the oil and filter, how is it that
you are now running on dirty oil? (You just changed it,
remember?)
Frantz: "the Frantz has a 5 year money back guarantee if your oil does
not stay ANALYTICALLY clean"
Me: What the heck is "ANALYTICALLY clean"? They don't see fit to
define this term, though they use it all over the place. Makes
me wonder how good the guarantee is if there isn't even a basis
for judgement! (How do I prove that my oil is not analytically
clean?) :-)
Frantz: "If you are not using the Frantz Filtration System, you are
also
adding to the consuption of non-renewable resources, toxic
waste
and other pollutants!"
Me: Ahh, yes. Lets throw them an enviro-nazi guilt trip; that'll
get the Sierra Club members buying them, at the very least!
Frantz: "Here's How It Works: The oil in your engine has four important
jobs to do... CLEAN, COOL, LUBRICATE, SEAL"
Me: Ok, and how exactly does that explain how the Frantz filter
works?
Also, I can buy the first three jobs, but sealing? Engines
have
"oil seals" which are used to seal the oil! How can something
which needs to be sealed be a seal itself?
Frantz: "A popular type of spin-on filter is shown here. Because it has
to
handle the entire oil flow rate (about 10 quarts per minute)
it can
only trap the larger foreign particles. Other abrasive
particles
that can wear out your engine go right on through!
In addition, this type of filter has a by-pass valve: under
cold
starting conditions, or when the filtering element is too
dirty,
this valve opens, allowing dirty, unfiltered oil to flow
through
your engine, and you never know when this happens. "
Me: Frantz then goes on to describe how THEIR filter works.
Basically,
it appears to replace (or suppliment) the conventional oil
filter
with a bypass valve so that the vast majority of the oil can
bypass the filter, and a small amount goes through the Frantz
filter.
How is this ANY different than the standard filter which they
just
got through bashing??? Also, they contradict themselves by
saying
that the filter has to handle the entire flow rate but that it
also
has a bypass valve in case the filter gets too dirty
(obviously,
with a bypass valve, the filter does NOT have to flow the
entire
flow rate)
Add in the fact that they spammed me this morning, and it all equals
a
company that I sure am not aching to to business with. YMMV, but I'm
filing this one in with the magnetic fuel savers and the Tornado. ;-)
---Jon-
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