Re: RE: Re: RE: sputter on start-up

From: jon@dakota-truck.net
Date: Wed Sep 01 2004 - 00:51:18 EDT


"Bernd D. Ratsch" <fasstdak@hotmail.com> wrote:

: Just going from experience on these engines (long term - not just pulling a
: lead and seeing what changes).

 
   No es possible, senor... I'm not sure if you read my post
or not, but I didn't just pull a lead and see what changes (?)
I removed the sensor and put an ohm meter between the body of
the sensor and each pin, individually. Result: there is
absolutely no continuity between either pin and the body of
the temp sensor. Long story short, this means that there
are only two possible ways that putting sealant on the
threads of the sensor can affect the signal output:

    1) Things are very broken.

         In order for the signal to improve when the body of
         the sensor is grounded, all of the following conditions
         must be met:

             a) The sensor itself is broken such that one of
                the pins is shorted to the body of the sensor.
                I don't know that this is even possible, but
                lets assume it is for the sake of this exercise.
                We must also assume that whatever caused the
                pin to short to the body of the sensor didn't
                also damage the thermosister inside.
  
                This is important because neither pin of the
                sensor is normally connected to the body
                at all, so we need a way to get to engine
                ground.
   
             b) The ground source from the PCM is broken;
                either the pin on the PCM or a pin on the
                sensor does not have a connection, or the
                wire itself running to the sensor is cut.
  
                This is important because if the PCM provided
                ground path is not damaged, then the signal
                would still be good, regardless of wether
                the body of the sensor is grounded or not
                because the normal circuit would be used.
   
             c) Since the wiring harness connector can be
                plugged in either way, it must be plugged
                in such that the pin on the sensor which
                is shorted is NOT plugged into the side
                of the connector which contains the voltage
                reference signal from the PCM.
  
                This is imporant because otherwise, this
                would result in shunting that voltage
                directly to ground. This might blow a fuse
                or burn something up, but in any case will
                not result in a good signal, which is what
                we're shootin' for here. (Hey, at least
                with this one you've got a 50/50 chance,
                which are the best odds you're gonna see
                in this whole deal.) ;-)
   
             d) The ground that the PCM is using for the
                sensor must be connected to the engine
                ground. This is most likely already the
                case, I include it here simply for
                completeness.
  
          If all four of the above conditions are met, there
          is the potential that the alternate ground path
          provided via the body of the broken sensor could
          be used instead of the provided ground path from
          the PCM, and thus conceivably, putting sealant
          on the threads of the sensor could block this path
          resulting in an errant signal.
  
 
  
    2) You have the ability to alter the laws of physics.

-- 
                                          -Jon-

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