Dave,
Thanks so much for taking the time to write all that information down, I
really appreciate it and it's exactly what I was looking for!
Thanks again,
James
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
[mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net] On Behalf Of
david.clement@verizon.net
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 10:05 AM
To: dakota-truck-moderator@bent.twistedbits.net
Subject: RE: DML: Engine Bay Paint
James,
I have used over 2 gallons of POR15 on several vehicles and and a number of
other POR products. I find them to be excellent materials.
My experience is that POR15 it infact does level out to be a very smooth and
shiny finish. My discription would not be that it looks sprayed but more
like it looks dipped. The stuff takes a long time to dry and tends to
collect in low areas and along edges. A lot will drip off so apply it over
something that you do not mind getting it on.
My experience with it peeling off unrusted metal was the control arms of my
68 Barracuda. When I was rebuilding the front end I sand blasted them to
bear metal and painted with POR15. It is peeling off in a number of places
with in months of putting them back on the car. I also painted a couple of
small patch panels used to fix some rust damage and it peeled off it after
it had been roughed up with 220 grit paper.
My experience with POR15 over painted metal was with a 89 Dodge Daytona that
was starting to rust at the weld joint between the firewall and floor. I had
cleaned the area and sanded the unrusted painted surfaces. The POR15 peeled
within months on the painted areas and was still holding up well on the
rusted areas when I sold the car.
Some positive testimonials;
The inside surface of the trunk of my Brracuda was almost completely surface
rusted. I cleaned and painted with PO15 primed with their primer and painted
with the Sub-lime paint I painted the car with. It's been 4.5 years since
the paint job and it's still holding. Also, the rusted metal under the car
was coated with POR15 and it's still holding up perfectly.
I have a metal bulked and metal stairs into my basement. From the time I
purchased the house I was wire brushing and painting with Rustoleum every
year.
About 7 years ago I used POR15, primed with POR primer and painted with
hardware store enamel. Not a spec of rust has appeared, I have worn the
enamel off the steps but the POR15 is still intact.
On my 89 Dakota I had developed some rust around the window gasket. I
removed the gasket and painted with gloss black POR15 (truck was black) as a
temporary fit until I could remove the windsheild and fix it properly. I
never did get around to it and the POR15 was on there for about 5 years
ubntil I sold the truck. Here is a case of the POR15 being exposed to
sunlight. When fist applied it was hardly noticable against the black of the
truck. With in a month the gloss started to fad and within 6 months it
looked like flat black paint.
However, it never failed and the rust never came back.
If you check out my web page
http://mysite.verizon.net/david.clement/index.html
The engine was painted with silver POR15 then topcoated with POR's hemi
orange engine enamel. 4.5 years and 30k miles the engine paint has lost some
of it's gloss but still looks like the picture, no rust, no peeling. Also,
the headers were coated with POR20 exhaust paint. The picture on the web
page was after 10k miles.
I am very much a fan of POR products but I feel there is a better way to
detail you engine compartment than with POR15. NOTE: POR15 does not last
long in the can after it's opened. I purchase it in pints or 1/2 pints so I
use a whole can on a project. If I do not use a hole can I place a piece of
heavey weight poly like a freezer bag over the can before putting the lid on
then store the can upside down. That way you won't have a thick skin to
break through the next time you use it. Also, get bottle of there thinner.
It's about the only thing that you can use to clean it off your hands. If it
drys on your hands it has to wear off so you are best off using rubber
gloves. The store where I purchase mine even gives you a pair of gloves with
each purchase.
Dave Clement
99 SLT+ CC 4x4
In article <200412030306.iB335xYv000034@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com>,
jCalder3@cfl.rr.com ("James Calder") writes:
>
>
> I'd really like to know where you get your information from...
> Here's another email that's contrary to actual facts. As though
> people just respond without any true knowledge.
> Today, I stopped by a body shop and I saw for myself what brushed on
> POR-15 looks like. It looks as though it was sprayed on! He did a frame
with it.
> I also emailed POR-15 and their response was "it's self leveling.
> Apply 2 thin coats for a extremely smooth finish."
> This forum is to be helpful to people and to give advise that points
> people in the right direction. If you don't know for sure, it's
> better not to say anything at all.
>
> DR CHALLENGER- If you have first hand experience or know of an
> instance where brushed on POR-15 looks like crap, than this email is
> not directed to you and you can disregard my above statements. If you
> can provide more specifics to what it was applied on, how thick the
> coats were and how the surface was prepared, it would be most helpful.
>
> Dave Clement- If you have first hand experience or know of an
> instance where POR-15 flaked off a properly prepared surface within
> months, than this email is not directed to you and you can disregard
> my above statements. If you can provide more specifics to what it was
> applied on, how thick the coats were and how the surface was prepared, it
would be most helpful.
>
> Thanks,
> James
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net] On Behalf Of DR
> CHALLENGER
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:17 PM
> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
> Subject: RE: DML: Engine Bay Paint
>
>
> iif bushed on it will look like crap.
>
> >From: "James Calder" <jCalder3@cfl.rr.com>
> >09:17:34 -0500
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >If I do use POR-15, I'll abrasive blast it down to the metal first (I
> >have a small abrasive blaster and a 6 HP 80 gallon compressor)
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
> >[mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net] On Behalf Of
> >david.clement@verizon.net
> >Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:21 AM
> >To: dakota-truck-moderator@bent.twistedbits.net
> >Subject: Re: DML: Engine Bay Paint
> >
> >
> >I wouldn't use POR15 over exisitng paint it will not stick and will
> >peel within months. POR15 is intended to be used on rusted metal.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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