Jon: File in the FAQ?

From: Dan Kramarsky (dkramarsky68@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Oct 18 2005 - 02:27:10 EDT


Jon:

We should file Kevin's response to the '5.2L to 5.9L swap questions' thread as well as
Mike and Victor's contributions in the F.A.Q.

-dan k.

--- DML Digest <owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net> wrote:

>
> DML Digest Tuesday, October 18 2005 Volume 05 : Number 2486
>
>
>
> The subjects discussed in this digest are:
> ==========
> Re: DML: O2 Sensors and Gas Mileage
> Re: DML: 5.2L to 5.9L swap questions
> RE: DML: 5.2L to 5.9L swap questions
> DML: inside information -- any DC employees
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:38:35 -0400
> From: Dale Schultz <d.schultz@sympatico_NOSPAM_.ca>
> Subject: Re: DML: O2 Sensors and Gas Mileage
>
> Josh Battles wrote:
> > andy levy said:
> >
> >>~ Is your catalytic converter healthy?
> >
> >
> > How does one check on the health of the catalytic converter?
> >
>
>
> I believe an emissions test could provide some insight into the health of the
> CAT. Emission tests are mandatory in certain areas of Ontario every two years
> when it's time to renew the license sticker. Just got my truck done and the NOx
> measurement was up from the previous test but still within the spec. Which could
> suggest that the CAT is partially blocked or carboned up :-(
> http://auto.howstuffworks.com/catalytic-converter.htm
> Since the O2S sensors are suppose to control the air-fuel ratio they have a
> direct impact on the emissions. There is one before and one after the CAT,
> these two measure to oxygen and the computer adjusts the air-fuel ratio to
> manage the oxygen content in the exhaust stream to make sure the CAT is working
> at its best and to assist in detection of a failing CAT (downstream O2S measures
> same as the upstream). If the O2S sensors get dirty (carboned) they will not
> perform well. But this should be detected by the computer and an error code
> generated. The O2S are preheated to assist them in detecting oxygen content as
> early as possible, so if the preheater has failed it could take longer for the
> air-fuel ratio to be adjusted to the optimal value and run rich until heated by
> the exhaust gases (which cold take a bit as they are mounted far down the
> exhaust path). You could measure the heating element resistance to determine if
> it is still working, shorted out or open completely.
>
> PS: Rob, drive more conservatively. I know it's hard to do with that short
> shifter in a 5 spd ;-)
>
> Your bro, Dale
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:58:59 +0000 (UTC)
> From: sneezer@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: DML: 5.2L to 5.9L swap questions
>
> In article <20051015180141.42933.qmail@web33204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
> dkramarsky68@yahoo.com (Dan Kramarsky) writes:
> >
> >
> > For those DMLers who are well versed in this swap:
> >
> > Plan: I plan to get a 5.9L from a mid 90's Ram or a '98-'99 Durango
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. I know that the 5.2L was internally balanced, and the 5.9L was
> externally balanced.
> > And to use the 5.9L motor I must deal with that issue. Do i get a balanced
> torque
> > converter?
> >
> > 2. Also I dont know is if motor mounts are a problem. Do they need to be
> beefed up? Is
> > an adapter needed? I wouldn't think so. But I'm not sure.
> >
> > 3. And I dont know if there are Cal Smog issues with this. So 2 questions
> come up:
> >
> > a. If I stick with the stock 5.9L PCM, does the PCM need to be from the same
> vehicle I
> > got the engine from?
> >
> > b. If I want to use a M.P. PCM, does the PCM have to match the donor
> vehicle/engine
> > combo or the recipient vehicle/engine combo if i want to be "legal"?
> >
> > 4. Can the original cooling system be used or is there a change needed here?
> >
> >
> > thats it for now. and as always, thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dan K.
> > '92 Grey Dak CC, 318, 4x2, 46RH, 3.55 rear, 235/75R15, PS, PW, PB, PL, AC.
> >
> > Mods: Cool air, K&N oil/air, Autolite 3924s, re-located IAT.
> >
> > Future: Swap motor for a slightly modified Magnum 5.9L engine.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
> I am in the midst of the same swap myself. Already have the engine, partially
> torn down. Gradually getting ready to do the swap. Here is what I have found
> out.
>
> The engines are the same. It makes no difference if it is EGR or not. You just
> reuse your current manifold, or get an EGR M1. Swap your existing sensors over,
> or get new ones. Oil pressure and water temp would be good ones to get new, and
> reuse everything else. The CPS might be a good candidate to replace as well, as
> it will be easier to do with the engine out of the truck.
>
> You will need to get a balancer if the engine does not have it. 2000+ went to a
> 1 piece balancer/pulley, which sucks. You can get a pre-2000 balancer and
> pulley though. They pop up on ebay from time to time.
>
> PCMs - 93 Ram 360 PCM for your truck. The 318 will run the engine, but not very
> well. I have heard conflicting information on the 94-95 PCM. I have one of
> these I bought cheap. I did put it on my 318 just to check if it would even
> run. Idled OK, but did trip a MIL. Checked the code, and it was for a tranny
> temp reading too low. There was no tranny temp sensor in the 92-93 trucks, but
> I suspect one was added to the Ram starting in 94, and it is looking for that
> reading. I don't know if the sensor can be wired in or not, I have been looking
> for a wiring diagram for a 94-95 360 PCM to confirm, but no luck so far.
>
> Motormounts - I have heard the Mopar ones are the best, but they are expensive.
> I am going to give the ones at Autozone a shot. We will see how they work, but
> the mounts are the same, just get new ones for your 92.
>
> Exhaust manifolds will bolt up, everything is identical. You may run into a
> problem with the oil pan. If the engine came out of a van or Ram, it will not
> work. A Dakota/Durango pan may work on a Gen II, but I am not positive. I will
> be finding out, as my engine came out of a Durango. You can still reuse your
> stock 318 pan if needed though.
>
> Torque Converter - this is where it gets tricky. If the engine came out of a 96
> or older vehicle, then you can reuse your current TQ. If it is newer, you
> either have to get an older flexplate or a new TQ. Dodge changed the bolts and
> balancing around that time. I chose to get a MP 2400 TQ for now, for a later
> truck so it would mate with my engine.
>
> All your accessories will bolt on, or you can get new ones. If you are
> interested in running UD pulleys at any point, make sure you have a pre 2000
> engine or balancer, and a pre 97 waterpump with a bolt on pulley. After 97 they
> were pressed on. Most of the parts stores still sell the bolt on style though.
>
> Injectors - best to get some 21 lb units, either FMS or some stock ones off a
> 360. They changed the connector plug in 2000 though. The newer injectors should
> work on an older truck, but you will need to splice into the harness and swap
> out the connectors, or you can get a pre-made conversion kit that I have seen.
>
> I have heard the the 92-93 heads may have had slightly larger intake valves
> than later years - 1.97 vs. 1.92. I have not seen any proof of this though. I
> plan on measuring mine when I pull the engine. Right now I have a mildly ported
> set of stockers waiting to go on, currently with 1.6 MP rockers, and eventually
> may go with 1.7s.
>
> That is about all I can think of right now. I need to get back to work.
>
>
> Kevin
> 1992 CC 318 2wd
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:49:52 -0500
> From: "Rick Barnes" <rascal@scrtc.com>
> Subject: RE: DML: 5.2L to 5.9L swap questions
>
> Great info Kevin, well done
>
> Rascal
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net] On Behalf Of
> sneezer@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 9:59 AM
> To: dakota-truck-moderator@bent.twistedbits.net
> Subject: Re: DML: 5.2L to 5.9L swap questions
>
>
> In article <20051015180141.42933.qmail@web33204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
> dkramarsky68@yahoo.com (Dan Kramarsky) writes:
> >
> >
> > For those DMLers who are well versed in this swap:
> >
> > Plan: I plan to get a 5.9L from a mid 90's Ram or a '98-'99 Durango
>
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Dan K.
'92 Grey Dak CC, 318, 4x2, 46RH, 3.55 rear, 235/75R15, PS, PW, PB, PL, AC.

Mods: Cool air, K&N oil/air, Autolite 3924s, re-located IAT.

Future: Swap motor for a slightly modified Magnum 5.9L engine.

                
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