What gets me is that somebody got PAID to write that convaluted mess.
If you have to read something more than 3 times to get the idea of what
is trying to be presented, then somebody should REWRITE IT. People won't
understand.
I wonder how many people have read this document and saw what I did and
were left totally confused.
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Joe Levy wrote:
>
> Agreed, but if you read the paragraph immediately preceding, it details
> the transmissions that are excluded (only a few). The long list is OK for
> ATF+4.
>
> Joe
>
> moliver@mmoliver.org wrote:
>> )
>> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:49:46 -0500 (EST)
>> From: "Miles D. Oliver" <moliver@mmoliver.org>
>> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
>> cc: dakota-truck-moderator@bent.twistedbits.net
>> Subject: Re: DML: RE: RE: RE: Valvoline ATF+4 at Autozone.
>> In-Reply-To: <dvussv$i5t$1@bent.twistedbits.net>
>> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603231537490.30798@kota.mmoliver.org>
>> References:
>> <068A96B9268C9241AE4253B6B2655A1608A686@ocexchange2003.otterbein.edu>
>> <dvussv$i5t$1@bent.twistedbits.net>
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
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>>
>>
>> This is a very confusing page.
>>
>> 1989 - 2004 (AN) Dakota
>> 1998 - 2003 (DN) Durango
>>
>> A new transmission fluid (ATF+4 - Type 9602) has been developed and
>> is being used as factory fill for all vehicles with Chrysler automatic
>> transmissions.It is recommended that all vehicles with Chrysler
>> automatic transmissions EXCEPT FOR THOSE LISTED ABOVE be serviced with
>> ATF+4.
>>
>> Both of my vehicles are listed, and if I read this right.
>>
>> "EXCEPT FOR THOSE LISTED ABOVE be serviced with ATF+4"
>>
>> Means that since my vehicles are listed that ATF+4 shouldn't apply.
>>
>> But then later this informaion states something that contradicts
>> above.
>>
>> NOTE: ATF+4 must always be used in vehicles that were originally filled
>> with ATF+4.
>>
>> According to my manual, and everything I was led to believe and that
>> my vehicles came with ATF+4, so ATF+4 must be used.
>>
>> Very confusing info. Doesn't make much a lot of sense.
>>
>> ATF+4 is cheaper than a rebuild.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Joe Levy wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Check this out - it's the YSB that references ATF+4.
>>> Note - some vehicles/transmissions are omitted from thechangeover.
>>> http://dodgeram.info/tsb/2004/21-004-04.htm
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> Pindell, Tim wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks fellas. I've got three older boxes that use the +3: a '98
>>>> 41TE,
>>>> a '94 46RH and an '86 A-525. I guess I'm OK to use what I've got of
>>>> the
>>>> +3 and re-fill with +4 when the time comes. I had a small concern
>>>> regarding compatibility and availability which now appears to be a
>>>> non-issue.
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net [mailto:owner-dakota-
>>>>> truck@bent.twistedbits.net] On Behalf Of Rick Barnes
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:55 AM
>>>>> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
>>>>> Subject: RE: DML: RE: Valvoline ATF+4 at Autozone.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Atf+4 is better stuff, handles heat much better. If your tranny
>>>>> calls
>>>>
>>>> for
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> it, use it or you may well be buying a new tranny
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net [mailto:owner-dakota-
>>>>> truck@bent.twistedbits.net] On Behalf Of Ray Block
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:19 PM
>>>>> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
>>>>> Subject: DML: RE: RE: Valvoline ATF+4 at Autozone.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Tim, the latest issue of MOPAR magazine has a big article on
>>>>> ATF+4.
>>>>>
>>>>> I quote..."While ATF+4 is used in late model vehicles built since
>>>>> 2001,
>>>>> there are many applications prior to this date in which ATF+4 can be
>>>>
>>>> used.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Remember, ATF+4 must always be used in vehicles that were originally
>>>>
>>>> filled
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> with ATF+4."
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically they said ATF+4 is compatible with ATF+, ATF+2 and ATF+3.
>>>>> Outside
>>>>> of vehicles that came with ATF+4, you can still use the earlier
>>>>
>>>> products
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> (if
>>>>> you can find them). Mopar just feels the +4 is better.
>>>>>
>>>>> For instance, my 2000 Grand Cherokee came with ATF+3 and a Mopar Tech
>>>>> friend
>>>>> told me it would be fine to continue using 3 in it when I changed the
>>>>
>>>> fluid
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> and filters. If I wanted to spend the extra $ I could switch to 4.
>>>>
>>>> My
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> choice....and I have to say there have been no problems racing or
>>>>
>>>> towing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> with this Jeep with ATF+3. But, that is what it came with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just saw another message from you Tim...yes, ATF+4 *was* only
>>>>> available
>>>>> from
>>>>> the dealer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Pindell, Tim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A local Advance Auto had the last of the ATF+3 for $1.50/quart. I
>>>>>> bought them all. The +4 in the same store was $4.98/quart! I'm going
>>>>
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> have to look into why the +3 was superseded. Anybody have a linky
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> two for the whole story?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>> .
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>>>> | Date: July 15-23, 2006 - More info: http://meet.dakota-truck.net |
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>>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .------------------------------------------------------------------.
>>> | Make your plans NOW to attend the National DML Meet in Colorado! |
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> .
> .
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>
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