I fall right of McCain, but no further right than Giuliani (we come from the
boroughs of NYC where people are socially liberal and fiscally
conservative). I think both Romney and Obama are good men who are being
demonized for religious reasons. This is an 18th century tradition which
should be eliminated.
I am actually happy that McCain is going to win the nomination. I may nit
agree with everything he says, but he takes a stand and has courage.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Preston" <steveophonic@yahoo.com>
To: <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
>
> Hey now! I'm so far right of center,I have to wear
> fifty lbs. of wheel weights on my left hip pocket just
> so I can walk a straight line! Ann Coulter is the
> fourth member of the Trinity,I feel. :)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Steve P.
> --- Tom Byrne <kerib@ptd.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Though Jon may be right of center, he is not
>> entirely incorrect. The
>> government SHOULD let markets function and set
>> prices and wages. Tim, you
>> bash 18th century ideals. There was a great article
>> this week in the Wall
>> Street Journal as to why the far left shuns history.
>> The author has his own
>> ideas and I will let the reader decide if he is
>> right, but I do see the left
>> deride history as either irrelevant or dangerous.
>>
>> Tell me, why is 18th century precedent worse than
>> 20th century precedent. I
>> would argue that the libertine society set forth by
>> our founding fathers in
>> the 18th century was much better than Marxism
>> developed in the 19th Century
>> or extreme Soviet-style socialism of the 20th
>> century. Newer ideas are not
>> always better ideas.
>>
>> New products, services and governments fail all the
>> time, yet some age-old
>> ideas still hold true today. Thomas Jefferson (a
>> Federalist mind you) said
>> it best: "That government is best which governs the
>> least, because its
>> people discipline themselves."
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pindell, Tim P" <TPindell@otterbein.edu>
>> To: <dml@dakota-truck.net>
>> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:05 PM
>> Subject: RE: DML: Made in China
>>
>>
>> >
>> > I think we're finally getting to the meat of this
>> issue.
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
>> >> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net]
>> On Behalf Of
>> >> jon@dakota-truck.net
>> >> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:18 PM
>> >> To: dakota-truck-moderator@bent.twistedbits.net
>> >> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Pindell, Tim P" <TPindell@otterbein.edu> wrote:
>> >> >"Jon Steiger" <jon@dakota-truck.net> wrote:
>> >> >> "We" shouldn't do anything about them. It
>> is not the
>> >> government's
>> >> >> role to create jobs, its only roles are to
>> provide
>> >> national defense,
>> >> >> mete out justice according to proscribed law,
>> and enforce the
>> >> >> contractual obligations of its citizens.
>> Anything not
>> >> covered by the
>> >> >> previous sentence is an item that government
>> should not be
>> >> involved
>> >> >> with in any way. Government's "role", (if you
>> want to
>> >> call it that),
>> >> >> in regards to finding new jobs for displaced
>> workers is merely to
>> >> >> stay out of the way and let the market work.
>> >>
>> >> > Someone is in for a big disappointment. Keep
>> tilting at those
>> >> > windmills, Jon. You still might be able to
>> vote "Ron Paul".
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I'm already dissapointed. The system is
>> *already* broken.
>> >> The principles I referenced are how the
>> government was
>> >> originally designed to work and how it *should*
>> be working.
>> >> I am under no illusion that these fundamental
>> principles are
>> >> given even the slightest thought by most in
>> government today.
>> >> I am optimistic that there are opportunities to
>> turn back
>> >> the clock on many of the abuses of the past
>> >> 230+ years and move closer to those ideals, but
>> we are so far gone
>> >> that I fear a complete return would probably
>> require another
>> >> massive catalyst such as a catastrophe and/or
>> another War for
>> >> Independence.
>> >
>> > You wish for the impossible, and I sincerely feel
>> badly about that. I
>> > can't help you. We can't go back. We've evolved
>> and learned new things
>> > since then. I have no easy, comforting answer for
>> you. We didn't stop
>> > learning or thinking when those original
>> experimental principles were
>> > drawn up. It must be a horrible existence, every
>> day, to see your world
>> > irrevocably, inevitably torn apart around you and
>> you can do nothing to
>> > stop it.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Its no surprise to me that your response was
>> more of the
>> >> same - sarcasm and attemtped denigration rather
>> than real
>> >> content or ideas.
>> >
>> > How do you expect me to react!? You're a
>> political anachronism! You ask
>> > for the same thing *every single time* and you
>> *know* that its not
>> > possible. I simply can't take it any longer.
>> Somebody had to call
>> > shenanigans. You seem to desire a return to some
>> innocent time with a
>> > pure and idealistic revolution in easy black and
>> white. You're an
>> > intelligent *grown man* yet you continue to
>> believe in this romantic
>> > notion of a centuries-old ideological purity that
>> likely never existed.
>> > That saddens me because you're smart enough to
>> know that the world is
>> > probably much more complicated than an 18th
>> century political
>> > philosopher ever thought it could be. We can do
>> things he couldn't
>> > possibly have imagined! But that doesn't mean that
>> some of the things
>> > we've learned from him aren't worth keeping or
>> that we can't learn and
>> > add to our understanding as time moves on. It was
>> not my original intent
>> > to get your thong in a bunch. (Later it was, and
>> I'm sorry about that.)
>> > Up until this post, I actually didn't believe that
>> you were this
>> > extreme. Nor was I fully aware of the sincerity
>> with which you held
>> > these extreme ideas. I really should have left
>> you alone.
>> >
>> >> The fact that you would think I will someday be
>> dissapointed
>> >> to discover that our government doesn't proscribe
>> to its
>> >> founding ideals is illustrative of the regard you
>> hold for my
>> >> grasp of any of these issues and confirms that I
>> have been
>> >> wasting my time with you.
>> >
>> > I respect you as an individual human being, but
>> you're right. My regard
>> > for your brand of olde-tyme rigid political views
>> has been in decline
>> > for a few years now. The willing denial of the
>> present for an impossible
>> > return to the past, the bleak denial
>> of...humanity, the cold, easy,
>> > life-isn't-fair disregard of the other... It
>> appears that your own
>> > humanity isn't worthy of respect to you either.
>> >
>> >> I suppose I knew it all along, but
>> >> my optimism for a person's desire to search for
>> the truth, or
>> >> at the very least to remain open to the
>> possibility of other
>> >> ideas tends to cloud my judgement sometimes.
>> >
>> > This is part of the problem, Jon. It's not always
>> about *you* or your
>> > perception of your own intellectual and moral
>> superiority. That's what
>> > clouds judgment; hubris. There are several topics
>> about which I am
>> > old-school conservative/libertarian, however, all
>> we seem to discuss
>> > here is economics and labour, and about that, I am
>> unabashedly left of
>> > center. Remember, your truth isn't the only truth.
>> Not all truths are
>> > "conservative", Jon, but many are. Sometimes there
>> is
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