I didn't say anything "bad". ;)
- Bernd
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Byrne [mailto:kerib@ptd.net]
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:32 PM
To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
I was going to say something, but this is a family list.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bernd D. Ratsch" <bernd@dodgetrucks.org>
To: <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: DML: Made in China
>
> Yeah...but how funny would it be to have Monica visit the Whitehouse
> "desk"
> with Hillary sitting there. LOL
>
> - Bernd
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Levy [mailto:andy.levy@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 11:42 AM
> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
>
>
> On Feb 9, 2008 10:49 AM, Bernd D. Ratsch <bernd@dodgetrucks.org> wrote:
>>
>> I'd stick with Clinton...main reason: 1 week out of every month, NOBODY
>> would mess with us (ever seen a President PMS'ing?) ;)
>
> You *do* know she's pushing 60, right?
>
> Clinton will be more of the same we've had for the last 8 years. And she
> has
> done NOTHING positive for her NY constituents (maybe NYC, I dunno - I find
> it more than a little unfair that both our Senators represent downstate
> interests almost exclusively), nevermind the fact that she is only an NY
> senator because the opportunistic ***** hopped into a mid-term vacant
> seat.
>
> I don't know a single woman who supports her & wants her to be President;
> nor any men.
>
>> - Bernd
>> (Give me a politician that doesn't lie or promise things that they
>> actually can do, and I'll vote for them)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tom Byrne [mailto:kerib@ptd.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:35 AM
>> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
>>
>> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
>>
>>
>> I fall right of McCain, but no further right than Giuliani (we come
>> from the boroughs of NYC where people are socially liberal and
>> fiscally conservative). I think both Romney and Obama are good men who
>> are being demonized for religious reasons. This is an 18th century
>> tradition which should be eliminated.
>>
>> I am actually happy that McCain is going to win the nomination. I may
>> nit agree with everything he says, but he takes a stand and has courage.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Preston" <steveophonic@yahoo.com>
>> To: <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
>> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 7:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Hey now! I'm so far right of center,I have to wear fifty lbs. of
>> > wheel weights on my left hip pocket just so I can walk a straight
>> > line! Ann Coulter is the fourth member of the Trinity,I feel. :)
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > Steve P.
>> > --- Tom Byrne <kerib@ptd.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Though Jon may be right of center, he is not entirely incorrect.
>> >> The government SHOULD let markets function and set prices and
>> >> wages. Tim, you bash 18th century ideals. There was a great article
>> >> this week in the Wall Street Journal as to why the far left shuns
> history.
>> >> The author has his own
>> >> ideas and I will let the reader decide if he is right, but I do see
>> >> the left deride history as either irrelevant or dangerous.
>> >>
>> >> Tell me, why is 18th century precedent worse than 20th century
>> >> precedent. I would argue that the libertine society set forth by
>> >> our founding fathers in the 18th century was much better than
>> >> Marxism developed in the 19th Century or extreme Soviet-style
>> >> socialism of the 20th century. Newer ideas are not always better
>> >> ideas.
>> >>
>> >> New products, services and governments fail all the time, yet some
>> >> age-old ideas still hold true today. Thomas Jefferson (a Federalist
>> >> mind you) said it best: "That government is best which governs the
>> >> least, because its people discipline themselves."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Pindell, Tim P" <TPindell@otterbein.edu>
>> >> To: <dml@dakota-truck.net>
>> >> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:05 PM
>> >> Subject: RE: DML: Made in China
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I think we're finally getting to the meat of this
>> >> issue.
>> >> >
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
>> >> >> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net]
>> >> On Behalf Of
>> >> >> jon@dakota-truck.net
>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:18 PM
>> >> >> To: dakota-truck-moderator@bent.twistedbits.net
>> >> >> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Pindell, Tim P" <TPindell@otterbein.edu> wrote:
>> >> >> >"Jon Steiger" <jon@dakota-truck.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> "We" shouldn't do anything about them. It
>> >> is not the
>> >> >> government's
>> >> >> >> role to create jobs, its only roles are to
>> >> provide
>> >> >> national defense,
>> >> >> >> mete out justice according to proscribed law,
>> >> and enforce the
>> >> >> >> contractual obligations of its citizens.
>> >> Anything not
>> >> >> covered by the
>> >> >> >> previous sentence is an item that government
>> >> should not be
>> >> >> involved
>> >> >> >> with in any way. Government's "role", (if you
>> >> want to
>> >> >> call it that),
>> >> >> >> in regards to finding new jobs for displaced
>> >> workers is merely to
>> >> >> >> stay out of the way and let the market work.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Someone is in for a big disappointment. Keep
>> >> tilting at those
>> >> >> > windmills, Jon. You still might be able to
>> >> vote "Ron Paul".
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm already dissapointed. The system is
>> >> *already* broken.
>> >> >> The principles I referenced are how the
>> >> government was
>> >> >> originally designed to work and how it *should*
>> >> be working.
>> >> >> I am under no illusion that these fundamental
>> >> principles are
>> >> >> given even the slightest thought by most in
>> >> government today.
>> >> >> I am optimistic that there are opportunities to
>> >> turn back
>> >> >> the clock on many of the abuses of the past
>> >> >> 230+ years and move closer to those ideals, but
>> >> we are so far gone
>> >> >> that I fear a complete return would probably
>> >> require another
>> >> >> massive catalyst such as a catastrophe and/or
>> >> another War for
>> >> >> Independence.
>> >> >
>> >> > You wish for the impossible, and I sincerely feel
>> >> badly about that. I
>> >> > can't help you. We can't go back. We've evolved
>> >> and learned new things
>> >> > since then. I have no easy, comforting answer for
>> >> you. We didn't stop
>> >> > learning or thinking when those original
>> >> experimental principles were
>> >> > drawn up. It must be a horrible existence, every
>> >> day, to see your world
>> >> > irrevocably, inevitably torn apart around you and
>> >> you can do nothing to
>> >> > stop it.
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Its no surprise to me that your response was
>> >> more of the
>> >> >> same - sarcasm and attemtped denigration rather
>> >> than real
>> >> >> content or ideas.
>> >> >
>> >> > How do you expect me to react!? You're a
>> >> political anachronism! You ask
>> >> > for the same thing *every single time* and you
>> >> *know* that its not
>> >> > possible. I simply can't take it any longer.
>> >> Somebody had to call
>> >> > shenanigans. You seem to desire a return to some
>> >> innocent time with a
>> >> > pure and idealistic revolution in easy black and
>> >> white. You're an
>> >> > intelligent *grown man* yet you continue to
>> >> believe in this romantic
>> >> > notion of a centuries-old ideological purity that
>> >> likely never existed.
>> >> > That saddens me because you're smart enough to
>> >> know that the world is
>> >> > probably much more complicated than an 18th
>> >> century political
>> >> > philosopher ever thought it could be. We can do
>> >> things he couldn't
>> >> > possibly have imagined! But that doesn't mean that
>> >> some of the things
>> >> > we've learned from him aren't worth keeping or
>> >> that we can't learn and
>> >> > add to our understanding as time moves on. It was
>> >> not my original intent
>> >> > to get your thong in a bunch. (Later it was, and
>> >> I'm sorry about that.)
>> >> > Up until this post, I actually didn't believe that
>> >> you were this
>> >> > extreme. Nor was I fully aware of the sincerity
>> >> with which you held
>> >> > these extreme ideas. I really should have left
>> >> you alone.
>> >> >
>> >> >> The fact that you would think I will someday be
>> >> dissapointed
>> >> >> to discover that our government doesn't proscribe
>> >> to its
>> >> >> founding ideals is illustrative of the regard you
>> >> hold for my
>> >> >> grasp of any of these issues and confirms that I
>> >> have been
>> >> >> wasting my time with you.
>> >> >
>> >> > I respect you as an individual human being, but
>> >> you're right. My regard
>> >> > for your brand of olde-tyme rigid political views
>> >> has been in decline
>> >> > for a few years now. The willing denial of the
>> >> present for an impossible
>> >> > return to the past, the bleak denial
>> >> of...humanity, the cold, easy,
>> >> > life-isn't-fair disregard of the other... It
>> >> appears that your own
>> >> > humanity isn't worthy of respect to you either.
>> >> >
>> >> >> I suppose I knew it all along, but my optimism for a person's
>> >> >> desire to search for
>> >> the truth, or
>> >> >> at the very least to remain open to the
>> >> possibility of other
>> >> >> ideas tends to cloud my judgement sometimes.
>> >> >
>> >> > This is part of the problem, Jon. It's not always
>> >> about *you* or your
>> >> > perception of your own intellectual and moral
>> >> superiority. That's what
>> >> > clouds judgment; hubris. There are several topics
>> >> about which I am
>> >> > old-school conservative/libertarian, however, all
>> >> we seem to discuss
>> >> > here is economics and labour, and about that, I am
>> >> unabashedly left of
>> >> > center. Remember, your truth isn't the only truth.
>> >> Not all truths are
>> >> > "conservative", Jon, but many are. Sometimes there
>> >> is
>> > === message truncated ===
>> >
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