No, but I was. ;)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bernd D. Ratsch" <bernd@dodgetrucks.org>
To: <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:57 PM
Subject: RE: DML: Made in China
>
> I didn't say anything "bad". ;)
>
> - Bernd
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Byrne [mailto:kerib@ptd.net]
> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:32 PM
> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
>
>
> I was going to say something, but this is a family list.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bernd D. Ratsch" <bernd@dodgetrucks.org>
> To: <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:55 PM
> Subject: RE: DML: Made in China
>
>
>>
>> Yeah...but how funny would it be to have Monica visit the Whitehouse
>> "desk"
>> with Hillary sitting there. LOL
>>
>> - Bernd
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andy Levy [mailto:andy.levy@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 11:42 AM
>> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
>> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
>>
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2008 10:49 AM, Bernd D. Ratsch <bernd@dodgetrucks.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd stick with Clinton...main reason: 1 week out of every month, NOBODY
>>> would mess with us (ever seen a President PMS'ing?) ;)
>>
>> You *do* know she's pushing 60, right?
>>
>> Clinton will be more of the same we've had for the last 8 years. And she
>> has
>> done NOTHING positive for her NY constituents (maybe NYC, I dunno - I
>> find
>> it more than a little unfair that both our Senators represent downstate
>> interests almost exclusively), nevermind the fact that she is only an NY
>> senator because the opportunistic ***** hopped into a mid-term vacant
>> seat.
>>
>> I don't know a single woman who supports her & wants her to be President;
>> nor any men.
>>
>>> - Bernd
>>> (Give me a politician that doesn't lie or promise things that they
>>> actually can do, and I'll vote for them)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tom Byrne [mailto:kerib@ptd.net]
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:35 AM
>>> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
>>>
>>>
>>> I fall right of McCain, but no further right than Giuliani (we come
>>> from the boroughs of NYC where people are socially liberal and
>>> fiscally conservative). I think both Romney and Obama are good men who
>>> are being demonized for religious reasons. This is an 18th century
>>> tradition which should be eliminated.
>>>
>>> I am actually happy that McCain is going to win the nomination. I may
>>> nit agree with everything he says, but he takes a stand and has courage.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steve Preston" <steveophonic@yahoo.com>
>>> To: <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 7:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Hey now! I'm so far right of center,I have to wear fifty lbs. of
>>> > wheel weights on my left hip pocket just so I can walk a straight
>>> > line! Ann Coulter is the fourth member of the Trinity,I feel. :)
>>> >
>>> > Thanks!
>>> >
>>> > Steve P.
>>> > --- Tom Byrne <kerib@ptd.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Though Jon may be right of center, he is not entirely incorrect.
>>> >> The government SHOULD let markets function and set prices and
>>> >> wages. Tim, you bash 18th century ideals. There was a great article
>>> >> this week in the Wall Street Journal as to why the far left shuns
>> history.
>>> >> The author has his own
>>> >> ideas and I will let the reader decide if he is right, but I do see
>>> >> the left deride history as either irrelevant or dangerous.
>>> >>
>>> >> Tell me, why is 18th century precedent worse than 20th century
>>> >> precedent. I would argue that the libertine society set forth by
>>> >> our founding fathers in the 18th century was much better than
>>> >> Marxism developed in the 19th Century or extreme Soviet-style
>>> >> socialism of the 20th century. Newer ideas are not always better
>>> >> ideas.
>>> >>
>>> >> New products, services and governments fail all the time, yet some
>>> >> age-old ideas still hold true today. Thomas Jefferson (a Federalist
>>> >> mind you) said it best: "That government is best which governs the
>>> >> least, because its people discipline themselves."
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Pindell, Tim P" <TPindell@otterbein.edu>
>>> >> To: <dml@dakota-truck.net>
>>> >> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:05 PM
>>> >> Subject: RE: DML: Made in China
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I think we're finally getting to the meat of this
>>> >> issue.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> >> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
>>> >> >> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net]
>>> >> On Behalf Of
>>> >> >> jon@dakota-truck.net
>>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:18 PM
>>> >> >> To: dakota-truck-moderator@bent.twistedbits.net
>>> >> >> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "Pindell, Tim P" <TPindell@otterbein.edu> wrote:
>>> >> >> >"Jon Steiger" <jon@dakota-truck.net> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> "We" shouldn't do anything about them. It
>>> >> is not the
>>> >> >> government's
>>> >> >> >> role to create jobs, its only roles are to
>>> >> provide
>>> >> >> national defense,
>>> >> >> >> mete out justice according to proscribed law,
>>> >> and enforce the
>>> >> >> >> contractual obligations of its citizens.
>>> >> Anything not
>>> >> >> covered by the
>>> >> >> >> previous sentence is an item that government
>>> >> should not be
>>> >> >> involved
>>> >> >> >> with in any way. Government's "role", (if you
>>> >> want to
>>> >> >> call it that),
>>> >> >> >> in regards to finding new jobs for displaced
>>> >> workers is merely to
>>> >> >> >> stay out of the way and let the market work.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > Someone is in for a big disappointment. Keep
>>> >> tilting at those
>>> >> >> > windmills, Jon. You still might be able to
>>> >> vote "Ron Paul".
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I'm already dissapointed. The system is
>>> >> *already* broken.
>>> >> >> The principles I referenced are how the
>>> >> government was
>>> >> >> originally designed to work and how it *should*
>>> >> be working.
>>> >> >> I am under no illusion that these fundamental
>>> >> principles are
>>> >> >> given even the slightest thought by most in
>>> >> government today.
>>> >> >> I am optimistic that there are opportunities to
>>> >> turn back
>>> >> >> the clock on many of the abuses of the past
>>> >> >> 230+ years and move closer to those ideals, but
>>> >> we are so far gone
>>> >> >> that I fear a complete return would probably
>>> >> require another
>>> >> >> massive catalyst such as a catastrophe and/or
>>> >> another War for
>>> >> >> Independence.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > You wish for the impossible, and I sincerely feel
>>> >> badly about that. I
>>> >> > can't help you. We can't go back. We've evolved
>>> >> and learned new things
>>> >> > since then. I have no easy, comforting answer for
>>> >> you. We didn't stop
>>> >> > learning or thinking when those original
>>> >> experimental principles were
>>> >> > drawn up. It must be a horrible existence, every
>>> >> day, to see your world
>>> >> > irrevocably, inevitably torn apart around you and
>>> >> you can do nothing to
>>> >> > stop it.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Its no surprise to me that your response was
>>> >> more of the
>>> >> >> same - sarcasm and attemtped denigration rather
>>> >> than real
>>> >> >> content or ideas.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > How do you expect me to react!? You're a
>>> >> political anachronism! You ask
>>> >> > for the same thing *every single time* and you
>>> >> *know* that its not
>>> >> > possible. I simply can't take it any longer.
>>> >> Somebody had to call
>>> >> > shenanigans. You seem to desire a return to some
>>> >> innocent time with a
>>> >> > pure and idealistic revolution in easy black and
>>> >> white. You're an
>>> >> > intelligent *grown man* yet you continue to
>>> >> believe in this romantic
>>> >> > notion of a centuries-old ideological purity that
>>> >> likely never existed.
>>> >> > That saddens me because you're smart enough to
>>> >> know that the world is
>>> >> > probably much more complicated than an 18th
>>> >> century political
>>> >> > philosopher ever thought it could be. We can do
>>> >> things he couldn't
>>> >> > possibly have imagined! But that doesn't mean that
>>> >> some of the things
>>> >> > we've learned from him aren't worth keeping or
>>> >> that we can't learn and
>>> >> > add to our understanding as time moves on. It was
>>> >> not my original intent
>>> >> > to get your thong in a bunch. (Later it was, and
>>> >> I'm sorry about that.)
>>> >> > Up until this post, I actually didn't believe that
>>> >> you were this
>>> >> > extreme. Nor was I fully aware of the sincerity
>>> >> with which you held
>>> >> > these extreme ideas. I really should have left
>>> >> you alone.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> The fact that you would think I will someday be
>>> >> dissapointed
>>> >> >> to discover that our government doesn't proscribe
>>> >> to its
>>> >> >> founding ideals is illustrative of the regard you
>>> >> hold for my
>>> >> >> grasp of any of these issues and confirms that I
>>> >> have been
>>> >> >> wasting my time with you.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I respect you as an individual human being, but
>>> >> you're right. My regard
>>> >> > for your brand of olde-tyme rigid political views
>>> >> has been in decline
>>> >> > for a few years now. The willing denial of the
>>> >> present for an impossible
>>> >> > return to the past, the bleak denial
>>> >> of...humanity, the cold, easy,
>>> >> > life-isn't-fair disregard of the other... It
>>> >> appears that your own
>>> >> > humanity isn't worthy of respect to you either.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> I suppose I knew it all along, but my optimism for a person's
>>> >> >> desire to search for
>>> >> the truth, or
>>> >> >> at the very least to remain open to the
>>> >> possibility of other
>>> >> >> ideas tends to cloud my judgement sometimes.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > This is part of the problem, Jon. It's not always
>>> >> about *you* or your
>>> >> > perception of your own intellectual and moral
>>> >> superiority. That's what
>>> >> > clouds judgment; hubris. There are several topics
>>> >> about which I am
>>> >> > old-school conservative/libertarian, however, all
>>> >> we seem to discuss
>>> >> > here is economics and labour, and about that, I am
>>> >> unabashedly left of
>>> >> > center. Remember, your truth isn't the only truth.
>>> >> Not all truths are
>>> >> > "conservative", Jon, but many are. Sometimes there
>>> >> is
>>> > === message truncated ===
>>> >
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