I know. :( Couldn't let it go. I think I'm better off
going out to the garage and doing something instead of
being a political/religious apologist (apologeticist?)
for myself and others who are steadfast in their
belief system.
Steve P.
--- Christopher Orr <corr@manual-override.net> wrote:
>
> Good lord this topic has changed!
>
> Have I just witnessed DML history? The longest
> thread -ever-?
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2008, at 12:41 PM, Steve Preston wrote:
>
> >
> > I agree to a point,but I have to disagree with you
> on
> > social conservatism. I don't think that government
> > should necessarily decide what's morally
> > acceptable,but the churches in this country are
> not
> > doing their job,and where we're at right now,some
> > entity or group of people has to make a stand. The
> > church is supposed to teach individuals how to
> > restrain themselves and not give in to every
> whim,and
> > they are also primarily responsible for feeding
> the
> > poor and hungry. Well,today's church on the Left
> is
> > more concerned about racial equality and
> installing
> > gays in prominent positions than preaching the
> > gospel,and the church on the Right is all
> about...well
> > several things not related to the gospel:
> > Self-fulfillment,building wealth,put the right guy
> in
> > office so sin goes away,etc. If they would just
> preach
> > the gospel,people would change from the inside and
> the
> > results most everyone wants would begin to occur
> from
> > people being "better",and making better decisions.
> > Things like corruption and greed are spiritual in
> > nature,and not unique to either party.
> >
> > ANYWAY,about social conservatism. Basically,it's a
> > movement to try to slow or stop culural rot,which
> IS
> > happening. You can't look at all of the other
> > civilizations that have come (and fallen) before
> us
> > and not see parallels. Whether it's regarding
> trying
> > to stop "educators" from teaching kindergarteners
> > about anal sex,or trying to get the valid point
> across
> > that sucking the brains out of a baby while in the
> > birth canal is not what a civilized society
> > embraces,it's really hard to put forth the point
> that
> > social conservatism has no place in today's
> world,or
> > especially that it's dangerous. Again,unless
> you're
> > willing to overlook what has already happened to
> prior
> > cultures that went where modern liberalism wants
> to
> > take us,then you can't say that social
> conservatism is
> > evil or wrong. Is it government's job to keep it's
> > people moral? No! But now we're getting back to
> the
> > failings of much of modern Christianity. It
> creates a
> > void that is always filled with something.
> INDIRECTLY
> > social conservatism,comprised of a large number of
> > Christians,is going about trying to affect people
> and
> > society for good,not evil. But it is definitely
> not
> > doing it in the best way. It is like a doctor
> treating
> > the symptom and not the root cause of the
> > illness,which would be addressed by the Gospel.
> >
> > Steve P.
> > --- Tom Byrne <kerib@ptd.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I agree with him that there should have been
> >> spending cuts. I do not agree
> >> that the tax cuts were just for the rich. Unless
> you
> >> believe as some
> >> leftists do that everyone making $70k or more is
> >> rich. I believe he did not
> >> vote for the cuts for both reasons. One which I
> >> agree and one I do not.
> >>
> >> Romney is a walking contradiction and in some
> ways
> >> more liberal. Look as
> >> Mass. healthcare. Bush II is a religious guy, he
> is
> >> probably a principled
> >> guy. He is strong on national defense, but he a
> too
> >> much of a spender and a
> >> goldfish is a better communicator. You know what?
> >> Bush I said no new taxes
> >> then raised taxes (bad move). However, in 1992, I
> >> still supported him
> >> because I believe he was the best man for the job
> of
> >> those running.
> >>
> >> My real pick this year Giuliani. Giuliani is
> >> pro-choice. I am pro-life. I
> >> would still vote for him because I believed him
> to
> >> be the most capable.
> >> Anyone who votes based on one, even two issues,
> is
> >> missing the big picture
> >> and, to me, quite frightening.
> >>
> >> Who else wee we going to vote for this year, Fred
> >> Thompson? I like the guy
> >> and he is a great speaker, but he was clueless
> when
> >> interviewed. Who else,
> >> Ron Paul? How about Huckabee? Here we have
> another
> >> Bush. A social
> >> conservative and a fiscal liberal. the worst of
> both
> >> worlds. He is worse
> >> than a social conservative. He is a social
> zealot.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Rick Barnes" <rascal@scrtc.com>
> >> To: <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
> >> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:34 AM
> >> Subject: RE: DML: Made in China
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> He is a liar. He said he voted against the tax
> >> cuts because there were
> >>> not
> >>> spending cuts, yet back when the tax cuts were
> >> passed, he said he did not
> >>> want tax cuts for the rich. That is just one of
> >> his many lies.
> >>> Disagreeing
> >>> is one thing, he is simply a liar and
> >> conservatives will not vote for him.
> >>>
> >>> Rascal
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
> >>> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net]
> >> On Behalf Of Tom Byrne
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:28 PM
> >>> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
> >>> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Not a liar, he just disagrees with the
> automatons.
> >> I like that.
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Rick Barnes" <rascal@scrtc.com>
> >>> To: <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:43 PM
> >>> Subject: RE: DML: Made in China
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> He is a liar, no honor in that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Rascal
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
> >>>>
> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net]
> >> On Behalf Of Tom Byrne
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:38 PM
> >>>> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
> >>>> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The man is more honorable than anyone running
> >> this time around.
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Rick Barnes" <rascal@scrtc.com>
>
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