Good lord this topic has changed!
Have I just witnessed DML history? The longest thread -ever-?
On Feb 10, 2008, at 12:41 PM, Steve Preston wrote:
>
> I agree to a point,but I have to disagree with you on
> social conservatism. I don't think that government
> should necessarily decide what's morally
> acceptable,but the churches in this country are not
> doing their job,and where we're at right now,some
> entity or group of people has to make a stand. The
> church is supposed to teach individuals how to
> restrain themselves and not give in to every whim,and
> they are also primarily responsible for feeding the
> poor and hungry. Well,today's church on the Left is
> more concerned about racial equality and installing
> gays in prominent positions than preaching the
> gospel,and the church on the Right is all about...well
> several things not related to the gospel:
> Self-fulfillment,building wealth,put the right guy in
> office so sin goes away,etc. If they would just preach
> the gospel,people would change from the inside and the
> results most everyone wants would begin to occur from
> people being "better",and making better decisions.
> Things like corruption and greed are spiritual in
> nature,and not unique to either party.
>
> ANYWAY,about social conservatism. Basically,it's a
> movement to try to slow or stop culural rot,which IS
> happening. You can't look at all of the other
> civilizations that have come (and fallen) before us
> and not see parallels. Whether it's regarding trying
> to stop "educators" from teaching kindergarteners
> about anal sex,or trying to get the valid point across
> that sucking the brains out of a baby while in the
> birth canal is not what a civilized society
> embraces,it's really hard to put forth the point that
> social conservatism has no place in today's world,or
> especially that it's dangerous. Again,unless you're
> willing to overlook what has already happened to prior
> cultures that went where modern liberalism wants to
> take us,then you can't say that social conservatism is
> evil or wrong. Is it government's job to keep it's
> people moral? No! But now we're getting back to the
> failings of much of modern Christianity. It creates a
> void that is always filled with something. INDIRECTLY
> social conservatism,comprised of a large number of
> Christians,is going about trying to affect people and
> society for good,not evil. But it is definitely not
> doing it in the best way. It is like a doctor treating
> the symptom and not the root cause of the
> illness,which would be addressed by the Gospel.
>
> Steve P.
> --- Tom Byrne <kerib@ptd.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I agree with him that there should have been
>> spending cuts. I do not agree
>> that the tax cuts were just for the rich. Unless you
>> believe as some
>> leftists do that everyone making $70k or more is
>> rich. I believe he did not
>> vote for the cuts for both reasons. One which I
>> agree and one I do not.
>>
>> Romney is a walking contradiction and in some ways
>> more liberal. Look as
>> Mass. healthcare. Bush II is a religious guy, he is
>> probably a principled
>> guy. He is strong on national defense, but he a too
>> much of a spender and a
>> goldfish is a better communicator. You know what?
>> Bush I said no new taxes
>> then raised taxes (bad move). However, in 1992, I
>> still supported him
>> because I believe he was the best man for the job of
>> those running.
>>
>> My real pick this year Giuliani. Giuliani is
>> pro-choice. I am pro-life. I
>> would still vote for him because I believed him to
>> be the most capable.
>> Anyone who votes based on one, even two issues, is
>> missing the big picture
>> and, to me, quite frightening.
>>
>> Who else wee we going to vote for this year, Fred
>> Thompson? I like the guy
>> and he is a great speaker, but he was clueless when
>> interviewed. Who else,
>> Ron Paul? How about Huckabee? Here we have another
>> Bush. A social
>> conservative and a fiscal liberal. the worst of both
>> worlds. He is worse
>> than a social conservative. He is a social zealot.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rick Barnes" <rascal@scrtc.com>
>> To: <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:34 AM
>> Subject: RE: DML: Made in China
>>
>>
>>>
>>> He is a liar. He said he voted against the tax
>> cuts because there were
>>> not
>>> spending cuts, yet back when the tax cuts were
>> passed, he said he did not
>>> want tax cuts for the rich. That is just one of
>> his many lies.
>>> Disagreeing
>>> is one thing, he is simply a liar and
>> conservatives will not vote for him.
>>>
>>> Rascal
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
>>> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net]
>> On Behalf Of Tom Byrne
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:28 PM
>>> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
>>> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
>>>
>>>
>>> Not a liar, he just disagrees with the automatons.
>> I like that.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Rick Barnes" <rascal@scrtc.com>
>>> To: <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:43 PM
>>> Subject: RE: DML: Made in China
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> He is a liar, no honor in that.
>>>>
>>>> Rascal
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
>>>> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net]
>> On Behalf Of Tom Byrne
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:38 PM
>>>> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
>>>> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The man is more honorable than anyone running
>> this time around.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Rick Barnes" <rascal@scrtc.com>
>>>> To: <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:05 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: DML: Made in China
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I am generally conservative, but will be
>> voting Libertarian once
>>>>> again.
>>>>> Would not ever vote for McCain, that lying
>> bastard.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rascal
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
>>>>> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net]
>> On Behalf Of
>>>>> jon@dakota-truck.net
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 5:47 PM
>>>>> To: dakota-truck-moderator@bent.twistedbits.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Tom Byrne" <kerib@ptd.net> wrote:
>>>>>> McCain will have an easier time beating her
>> than Obama. All McCain
>>>>>> needs
>>>>> to
>>>>>> do is to pick a conservative VP and he will win
>> both the middle and the
>>>>>> right. Most of the country is in the center to,
>> may, slightly right,
>>>>> McCain
>>>>>> wins. The Dems should have rolled given Bush's
>> historically-low
>>>>>> approval
>>>>>> ratings, but the Democratic Congress has earned
>> even lower approval
>>>>> ratings
>>>>>> than Bush. One has to try very hard to earn
>> lower approval ratings than
>>>>>> Bush, but Congress accomplished the task.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am hearing a lot of talk from conservatives
>> who basically plan to
>>>>> sit this one out rather than vote for McCain.
>> The usual theory which
>>>>> is advanced is that if the country is going to
>> go to the crapper, why
>>>>> not let the Democrat party get the credit? (The
>> reasons given for
>>>>> this opposition is if you look at his history
>> and policies, McCain is
>>>>> extremely liberal and even his so called
>> strength of national security
>>>>> is an illusion when you start looking into it
>> and seeing how he has
>>>>> handled illegal immigration and his desire to
>> treat enemy combatants
>>>>> as criminals and handle them via the court
>> system rather than the
>>>>> military.)
>>>>>
>>>>> As much as I would not want to see the country
>> take a step
>>>>> backwards, I can't say that I disagree with this
>> theory. Its a lot
>>>>> easier for a conservative congress to fight
>> against a liberal
>>>>> president when that president is in the other
>> party. (compare the
>>>>> relative success of Newt and the '94 congress
>> against Clinton for
>>>>> example, as opposed to that same basic congress
>> with Bush - who is not
>>>>> a conservative - at the helm.) Its a shame, but
>> party lines seem to
>>>>> override principles.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as advancing conservatism goes, I think
>> a conservative
>>>>> Republican congress with a liberal Democrat
>> president would fare
>>>>> better than that same conservative Republican
>> congress and a liberal
>>>>> Republican president, even if that Republican
>> congress happens to be
>>>>> in the minority.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> -Jon-
>>>>>
>>>>> .- Jon Steiger -- jon@dakota-truck.net or
>> jon@jonsteiger.com -.
>>>>> | '96 Kolb Firefly, '96 Suzuki Intruder,
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>>>>> `--------------------------------
>> http://www.jonsteiger.com --'
>>>>>
>>
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