Re: Vincent H, suspension questions

From: Gary Pinkley (gapinkley@earthlink.net)
Date: Fri Aug 28 1998 - 01:22:54 EDT


I work for Hotchkis Performance in Santa Fe Springs, CA 562-907-7757
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Vincent Heckathorn <victorylane@iwaynet.net>
    To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
    Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 9:52 PM
    Subject: Re: DML: RE: Gene, suspension mod questions
    
    
    Gary
    Who do you work for????
    Colin

    Gary Pinkley wrote:

         Gene,
        What happens when you lower any new Dakota without changing the spindle is
        you get excessive bump steer when the vehicle rolls
        in a corner. This is caused by the steering geometry. The factory
        compromised when they placed the steering rack and it sits too low
        in the chassis, hence when the vehicle is lowered excessively, the tie rods
        are at a severe angle to the rack. If you look at the location of
        the factory outer tie rod, you will notice that it is really close to the
        bottom of the rim, which doesn't allow you to play with the vertical height
        of the ball joint (that is if you stay with 15" rims). If you don't 'slam'
        the truck, you can actually get the tie rods to sit really close to level.
        This is why I am working on a 2 inch drop only. This problem is most
        noticeable when you lower the vehicle without increasing the rate of the
        sway bar and/or the spring rate. My factory springs are 600 #/in, which I
        always felt they were way to soft, the truck never really felt balanced
        (i.e. the front tended to bounce, not the kind of bouncing from worn out
        shocks). What a higher spring rate does is keep the suspension from
        compressing too far over bumps, only allowing a slight bit more overall
        compression than the softer springs. Installing larger sway bars will also
        help with bump steer during roll. When the outside suspension compresses in
        a corner, larger sway bars will keep the to corners of the suspension at the
        same relative height to the body, so the wheels don't try to point in
        different directions, giving the twitchy handling that everyone speaks of.
        When I run with lowered stock rate springs and bars, I can feel the steering
        wheel shake when I hit uneven bumps. The problem is reduced significantly
        with the higher rates. I won't lie to you, it doesn't eliminate the
        problem, but it keeps it down to controllable levels.

        I currently am running a 725 #/in front spring with 1 7/16" sway bar in the
        front. Also, the jounce bumpers HAVE to be removed and shorter ones
        installed, otherwise you will be constantly riding on them. (We are
        including these in our front spring kits). Since Dodge designed funny end
        links that use a ball joint, we are mounting to the stock links. You may
        shorten and weld the stock links to level the bar. On the rear we've
        designed it to ride at the stock rate, until you load it, then we've got a
        new overload leaf. I also recommend changing the rear jounce bumper to a
        slightly shorter one as well (We are still playing around with different
        configurations for these). The rear sway bar that I have on there now is a
        7/8" (~10% higher than stock). This setup is pretty good, the truck stays
        very level in corners with only a slight bit of understeer. I go canyon
        running often and have a blast. I'm still fine tuning the sway bar setup to
        get the balance right. I also care about the ride of the truck, and the
        increased spring rate doesn't feel uncomfortable, like some sports cars,
        harder yes, teeth rattling no. The only problem that I have is that, when
        unloaded, my regular cab shortbed rearend feels a bit rough on some roads,
        but then if I softened it up too far, I wouldn't be able to haul anything at
        all (the GMC Syclone comes to mind). Extended cab models and long beds
        don't have this problem. We've developed suspension kits for several
        different truck lines and all of them have this problem, there's just no
        weight on the rear of regular cab short bed models to help with the ride.
        Unfortunately, I find my truck a lot more stable a higher speeds, so I'm
        increasing my chances of getting a speeding ticket.

        I have read about the two inch dropped a-arms. These will lower the
        vehicle, but they WON'T change the geometry of the suspension, the tie rod
        joints for the steering have not changed with respect to the ball joints, so
        the bump steer problems will still be there, especially if you stay with the
        soft stock spring rates. All these arms do is lower the spring perch inside
        the arm, lowering the truck.

        I hope this info helps you. I'm an engineer, not a professional writer, so
        if any of this confuses you, let me know and I will clarify.

        Later
        Gary Pinkley
        gapinkley@earthlink.net

      



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