Jon,
Agree with all you say, including the donation angle to support the DML...
But, how do we ultimately settle on a final design? I hate to ask this of
you (you've done so much work on the web page already!) but would it be
possible to make a page where we can see the various prototypes and make
our mark (I.E. vote in a coherent way) next to the one we like?
No matter which way we go I'd still like two "official" decals when they
are ready... If your wondering what the second one is for, I'm gonna' slap
one on her Honda when she's not lookin', shhhhh :-). She'll be a DML
wanna' be! hehehe.....
T.
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Subject: DML: Stickers. (Stop the insanity!; long and preachy) ;-)
Author: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net> at smtpout
Date: 10/10/98 5:32 PM
Ok, I'm seeing a lot of posts about the logos, stickers, etc.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who's confused. :-) We've got
several people working on logos, and for each logo, we've
got several people who like it and want stickers now. Along
with that, we've got a few more people still suggesting ideas
for different logo designs. Add to that several people who
say they're going to print up some stickers, and all the
followup posts to those people from others wanting some. Whew! :-)
I started this whole fiasco when I posted that I had gotten
some quotes from the print shop, and I needed to know how many
people were interested. (In retrospect, even that was jumping
the gun a little. I should have made sure that we were agreed on a
design first.) Anyway, from there it mutated into what the logo
should be. (This was a good thing.) I think you'll all agree
we've made some tremendous progress towards hashing out an official
design.
However, I think its still premature to think about printing
anything up. We're close, but we're not there yet. Of
course, anyone is perfectly welcome to go out to a print
shop and get anything they want printed up. Keep in mind
though, that the final design could very easily change, so
if you're interested in the "official" design, that would
probably bum you out. (But if you don't care, go for it...)
Another issue with the printing: The way I saw this
whole thing happening was we'd agree on a design, and I'd
get a feel for how many I should have printed up, then
I'd print 'em and get them out to you in an orderly fashion.
If we have several people printing them, or people just printing
one-offs for themselves, we're (as a whole) going to pay a lot
more for 'em because we'll lose the quantity advantage. That
might not bother you, but I hate to see people throw money away.
:-) The cost to me for one sticker would be about $20-40, but if we
print up that same sticker in quantities of 100 or 150, I can get
them for $1. I think you'll agree that the resultant 2000 to 4000
percent cost savings is pretty substantial. :-)
While I'm on the topic of money, I mentioned earlier that
I was planning to sell the stickers for my cost, plus maybe a
dollar each which would go into the DML fund, which is used
to pay the buffnet.net ISP hosting costs. That would help to
reduce (or maybe even eliminate) the burden on outright
donors. Everyone I talked to about this indicated that
they thought it was a good idea.
Another issue: We have to be in this for the long run. Its not
as simple as printing up a run of stickers and then forgetting about
it. Someone is going to accidently scrape their sticker off or
break a window and need a new one; newcomers to the list are going to
want them, etc. There has to be a constant supply, and method of
distribution. I was planning on having more stickers than nesccesary
printed out to cover this, and running more as nesscesary. DML'ers
would be able to get stickers whenever they needed to. Again, the
cost issue comes into play with this. Sure, we could have someone
run a few more stickers now and again when people want 'em, but
that's going to be costly, not to mention cumbersome, and a general
pain in the butt for people who want the stickers.
Please don't get me wrong. I GREATLY appreciate the effort
everyone has put into this; especially those who have donated their
time and talent creating and revising potential designs. I just
think we have to remember that these are *potential* designs; I think
we should be careful not to jump the gun here...
-Jon-
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