Bruce,
I'd be more than happy to "volunteer" to try a stage I TB on my truck. The
only mods i have at the moment are 14x5 K&N and Exaust, so the stage I would
be the best bet for me at the moment. If you need me I'd be more than happy
to help just let me know...
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Bridges, Bruce <bbridges@alarismed.com>
To: 'dakota-truck@buffnet.net' <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 12:23 PM
Subject: RE: DML: Chris, too big?was: big TB, any theories?
>Chris,
>We are trying to get a "volunteer" to try a 93 stage one TB out on a stock
>motor. Frank has a stage one unit built up. We aren't letting the big
guys
>loose until we can predict what they will do to unsuspecting DMLers. Jon S
>is our primary Stage 2 318 guinea pig. So far it appears that the stage 2
>on a 318 requires the full package of mods to make it work well. Stage one
>seems to be a good thing across the board, and provides results about like
>the DIY port and polish. in fact, without the mods the stage one makes you
>go faster than the stage 2 (way too big).. The stage one may be more
>restrictive than some of the DIY TBs since we dont shave the top off and
>blend the inlet. Franks TB configuration is designed for the stock hat or
>the Kenne Bell "vertical" entry hat. All of the flow bench data was taken
>with a vertical inlet config. Chris, whats your mod list like...?
>Bruce
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris lang [mailto:langcj@clarkson.edu]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 8:33 AM
>To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
>Subject: Re: DML: big TB, any theories? was:The TB "deal"..
>
>
>Have you tested any of the TB's on the older pre ODBII trucks? I'd like
to
>get the larger one and then upgrade the injectors when i get the cash, or
is
>the TB gonna be way to big?
>
>Chris
>93 V8
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bridges, Bruce <bbridges@alarismed.com>
>To: 'dakota-truck@buffnet.net' <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
>Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 11:33 AM
>Subject: RE: DML: big TB, any theories? was:The TB "deal"..
>
>
>>Chris,
>>Frank is lining up for a "sniffed" dyno run to see if the lean condition
is
>>corrected by the Lucas 270cc disk injectors. So far his Butt dyno says
>>good, but we need the #s to verify were not setting up for a check engine
>>light! Jon S's results were similar to mine in that he got no ET
>>improvement from the 700+cfm unit over his DIY port and polish. No
>>reduction was verified either, so were heading in the right direction so
>>far. Ive had the 700+ unit on my R/T for a couple of weeks with the stock
>>SBEC and it seems to like it a lot now, but it wouldnt work with the JETII
>>module. With the JET at extended WOT the injectors would "max" and hang
>>(too long a PW signal + too high a rate) causing a stutter and a lean
>>condition. If our theory holds, the bigger injectors should compensate
for
>>this, allowing the SBEC to back off the PW and allow the injectors to keep
>>pulsing and make more HP. Hey at least this shows that the JET is
working
>>at WOT too! Both Frank and I are anxious to get the data, but this adds
>>about 4 bills to the cost of going with a 700+cfm TB. After all, it just
>>more air, the fuel has got to come from somewhere...Frank saw a 30 HP gain
>>w/o the big injectors on his 360, and theoretically the 700cfm combined
>with
>>the 270cc injector could make up to 300+ HP,theoretically, We just have to
>>figure out how...
>>BKB
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Chris lang [mailto:langcj@clarkson.edu]
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 7:47 AM
>>To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
>>Subject: Re: DML:The TB "deal"... RE: Jules...Gone...I think here's why.
>>
>>
>>How are the stage II TB's looking?
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Bridges, Bruce <bbridges@alarismed.com>
>>To: 'dakota-truck@buffnet.net' <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
>>Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 10:23 AM
>>Subject: RE: DML:The TB "deal"... RE: Jules...Gone...I think here's why.
>>
>>
>>>Hey DML ,
>>>Hang loose on TBs for a bit if you think thats what you need. Frank and
I
>>>are getting set to release the stage ones to the list. Our time frame is
>>>fluctuation right now since its a labor of love, and not a money making
>>>venture ( hard to believe eh?) We'll charge enough to cover materials
and
>>>part of the machine time which should put the stage one under 100.00 for
>>the
>>>inital offering. Later offerings (if any) are going to be a little more
>>>mercenary since we probably wont be doing all the work ourselves. Stay
>>>tuned. Uh, Bob M, Hows it going with the stage one TB?
>>>BKB
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Rekker21@aol.com [mailto:Rekker21@aol.com]
>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 2:22 AM
>>>To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
>>>Subject: Re: DML: RE: Jules...Gone...I think here's why.
>>>
>>>
>>>In a message dated 10/20/98 1:56:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>m.gski@mci2000.com writes:
>>>
>>><< I am impressed
>>> with his product line (I think) but, I do not know trucks like some
other
>>> people around here do. This company could just sell me what I want to
>>hear
>>> and I may be none the wiser. Any good performance gain stories out
>there?
>>>>>
>>> The thing to remember here isnt what he sells, but how he sells it and
>>>what
>>>the price is. Sure, this guy knows his stuff, no doubt. But you really
>>>should have your
>>>butt kissed by him rather than have to deal with his crap if hes trying
to
>>>sellYOU something! Also, everyone else sells basically the same line
that
>>>he
>>>does, maybe not in a package but you can find all the parts elsewhere.
If
>>>you
>>>"shop around" then youll see the price difference and make your decision
>>>from
>>>there. The truly good thing about this list are things like the TB mod
>>that
>>>went around. People helping people do things on their own without blowing
>>>through their check book. And then there is Frank!! A man on a mission
>to
>>>take that TB mod to the next level, again, to help the common good of the
>>>DML.
>>>I havent seen any prices for the mod, but seeing some of his post, and
>>>hearing
>>>the extent of his knowledge and mechanical abilities in a shop, I doubt
he
>>>would price gouge like some people that no longer respond to the list.
>>> Thanks for being a part of the list Frank. I enjoy your posts.
>>>Eric's $.02
>>>
>>
>
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