Hey Bruce:
When this all gets laid out, what are the chances of the Stage 1 throttle
body working on a Shelby. I don't want to go boring around on my TB, cause
I probably won't get another one. I do know they offered a Shelby package,
which came with a computer, exhaust, and a 360 TB, so there are definetely
some gains to be found on the Shelby.
Mods include:
Dual ram-air intake
K&N Drop in Filter
Jet Stage II
180 thermostat
MSD 8.5mm Wires
MSD Blastler 2 coil
Flowmaster 3-chamber true dual exhaust
15.52@86 mph
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris lang <langcj@clarkson.edu>
To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: DML: Chris, too big?was: big TB, any theories?
>Bruce,
>
>I'd be more than happy to "volunteer" to try a stage I TB on my truck. The
>only mods i have at the moment are 14x5 K&N and Exaust, so the stage I
would
>be the best bet for me at the moment. If you need me I'd be more than
happy
>to help just let me know...
>
>Chris
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bridges, Bruce <bbridges@alarismed.com>
>To: 'dakota-truck@buffnet.net' <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
>Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 12:23 PM
>Subject: RE: DML: Chris, too big?was: big TB, any theories?
>
>
>>Chris,
>>We are trying to get a "volunteer" to try a 93 stage one TB out on a
stock
>>motor. Frank has a stage one unit built up. We aren't letting the big
>guys
>>loose until we can predict what they will do to unsuspecting DMLers. Jon
S
>>is our primary Stage 2 318 guinea pig. So far it appears that the stage 2
>>on a 318 requires the full package of mods to make it work well. Stage
one
>>seems to be a good thing across the board, and provides results about like
>>the DIY port and polish. in fact, without the mods the stage one makes
you
>>go faster than the stage 2 (way too big).. The stage one may be more
>>restrictive than some of the DIY TBs since we dont shave the top off and
>>blend the inlet. Franks TB configuration is designed for the stock hat or
>>the Kenne Bell "vertical" entry hat. All of the flow bench data was taken
>>with a vertical inlet config. Chris, whats your mod list like...?
>>Bruce
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Chris lang [mailto:langcj@clarkson.edu]
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 8:33 AM
>>To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
>>Subject: Re: DML: big TB, any theories? was:The TB "deal"..
>>
>>
>>Have you tested any of the TB's on the older pre ODBII trucks? I'd like
>to
>>get the larger one and then upgrade the injectors when i get the cash, or
>is
>>the TB gonna be way to big?
>>
>>Chris
>>93 V8
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Bridges, Bruce <bbridges@alarismed.com>
>>To: 'dakota-truck@buffnet.net' <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
>>Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 11:33 AM
>>Subject: RE: DML: big TB, any theories? was:The TB "deal"..
>>
>>
>>>Chris,
>>>Frank is lining up for a "sniffed" dyno run to see if the lean condition
>is
>>>corrected by the Lucas 270cc disk injectors. So far his Butt dyno says
>>>good, but we need the #s to verify were not setting up for a check engine
>>>light! Jon S's results were similar to mine in that he got no ET
>>>improvement from the 700+cfm unit over his DIY port and polish. No
>>>reduction was verified either, so were heading in the right direction so
>>>far. Ive had the 700+ unit on my R/T for a couple of weeks with the
stock
>>>SBEC and it seems to like it a lot now, but it wouldnt work with the
JETII
>>>module. With the JET at extended WOT the injectors would "max" and hang
>>>(too long a PW signal + too high a rate) causing a stutter and a lean
>>>condition. If our theory holds, the bigger injectors should compensate
>for
>>>this, allowing the SBEC to back off the PW and allow the injectors to
keep
>>>pulsing and make more HP. Hey at least this shows that the JET is
>working
>>>at WOT too! Both Frank and I are anxious to get the data, but this adds
>>>about 4 bills to the cost of going with a 700+cfm TB. After all, it just
>>>more air, the fuel has got to come from somewhere...Frank saw a 30 HP
gain
>>>w/o the big injectors on his 360, and theoretically the 700cfm combined
>>with
>>>the 270cc injector could make up to 300+ HP,theoretically, We just have
to
>>>figure out how...
>>>BKB
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Chris lang [mailto:langcj@clarkson.edu]
>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 7:47 AM
>>>To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
>>>Subject: Re: DML:The TB "deal"... RE: Jules...Gone...I think here's why.
>>>
>>>
>>>How are the stage II TB's looking?
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Bridges, Bruce <bbridges@alarismed.com>
>>>To: 'dakota-truck@buffnet.net' <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
>>>Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 10:23 AM
>>>Subject: RE: DML:The TB "deal"... RE: Jules...Gone...I think here's why.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hey DML ,
>>>>Hang loose on TBs for a bit if you think thats what you need. Frank and
>I
>>>>are getting set to release the stage ones to the list. Our time frame
is
>>>>fluctuation right now since its a labor of love, and not a money making
>>>>venture ( hard to believe eh?) We'll charge enough to cover materials
>and
>>>>part of the machine time which should put the stage one under 100.00 for
>>>the
>>>>inital offering. Later offerings (if any) are going to be a little more
>>>>mercenary since we probably wont be doing all the work ourselves. Stay
>>>>tuned. Uh, Bob M, Hows it going with the stage one TB?
>>>>BKB
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Rekker21@aol.com [mailto:Rekker21@aol.com]
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 2:22 AM
>>>>To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
>>>>Subject: Re: DML: RE: Jules...Gone...I think here's why.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>In a message dated 10/20/98 1:56:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>m.gski@mci2000.com writes:
>>>>
>>>><< I am impressed
>>>> with his product line (I think) but, I do not know trucks like some
>other
>>>> people around here do. This company could just sell me what I want to
>>>hear
>>>> and I may be none the wiser. Any good performance gain stories out
>>there?
>>>>>>
>>>> The thing to remember here isnt what he sells, but how he sells it and
>>>>what
>>>>the price is. Sure, this guy knows his stuff, no doubt. But you really
>>>>should have your
>>>>butt kissed by him rather than have to deal with his crap if hes trying
>to
>>>>sellYOU something! Also, everyone else sells basically the same line
>that
>>>>he
>>>>does, maybe not in a package but you can find all the parts elsewhere.
>If
>>>>you
>>>>"shop around" then youll see the price difference and make your decision
>>>>from
>>>>there. The truly good thing about this list are things like the TB mod
>>>that
>>>>went around. People helping people do things on their own without
blowing
>>>>through their check book. And then there is Frank!! A man on a mission
>>to
>>>>take that TB mod to the next level, again, to help the common good of
the
>>>>DML.
>>>>I havent seen any prices for the mod, but seeing some of his post, and
>>>>hearing
>>>>the extent of his knowledge and mechanical abilities in a shop, I doubt
>he
>>>>would price gouge like some people that no longer respond to the list.
>>>> Thanks for being a part of the list Frank. I enjoy your posts.
>>>>Eric's $.02
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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