hahahahahahaha..... Long board huh, never tried don't think I will, no
offense. My trip to Pacific Beach was interesting. Everyone and their
sister owned a darn long board. The Del Mar area was nice too. LA was
cool, no surfing that day (had to turn in the rental, darn.) Met a nice
guy that let me rent a sweet short board for the week. Everyone else
had old beat up long boards for rent. Hell, if I wanted a beat up
board. I would have let the air lines kick mine around a few times,
hahahahaha.... See, that lid is way out of my reach for awhile. Shoot
the Leach/Mopar headers coated are cheaper, hahahahaha.
Jason
1/7/99 5:12 PM
-----Original Message-----
From: Bridges, Bruce [SMTP:bbridges@alarismed.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 4:52 PM
To: 'dakota-truck@buffnet.net'
Subject: RE: DML: RE: R/T bedliner
Jason,
mopar accessories tonneau (big and heavy) @ $800.00 color
matched to deep
amethyst. (thrown in as part of the non-deal) I like having a
big trunk,
good for keeping the long board locked up nice and safe...I also
have a
couple of 65 barracuda back windows in my backyard Ive been
saving for a
green house... Hmmmm
BKB
-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Jennings [mailto:jason@spray-tech.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 1:39 PM
To: 'dakota-truck@buffnet.net'
Subject: RE: DML: RE: R/T bedliner
It is pretty much a challenge any way you look at it.... I knew
from
the start a truck on the track would be a challenge. Any one
can make a
pony project go fast w/ little cash. You never see those Ferd
wussies
hitting the track w/ a truck???? The lightening doesn't count.
Supercharging is not expectable on a stock vehicle. If Ford
needs a
supercharger to get that sled off the line, then what does it
say for
Ferds, hahahaha.... I won't achieve the ultimate sleek design
on my
budget. I just don't want to spend the heavy cash on something
that
might pan out to be a poor approach. I don't know what nice
Tonneau go
for, but doesn't sound cheap..... That 2/3 smooth thing is
pretty much
the truth, and a spray on. Well, sounds like it kills the
smooth 2/3
idea, right??? You have the texturing of the material, its'
weight,
plus the ridges of the bed from start..... A drop in liner may
offer a
'smooth' surface over the spray. I just don't trust the drop in
any
more..... the lid is a fair approach and should over a down
force on
the rear, kind a spoiler like????? Every car contains drag
somewhere.... I will just have to try a few things little by
little....
Gee if I had a tunnel, boy I would spend days in there with my
truck,
hahahaha.... What I would love to do is make it handle better
on a road
course as well..... May I ask what the majority of you use for
lids,
and the wallet crunching price????
Jason
1/7/99 4:34 PM
-----Original Message-----
From: Bridges, Bruce [SMTP:bbridges@alarismed.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 4:15 PM
To: 'dakota-truck@buffnet.net'
Subject: RE: DML: RE: R/T bedliner
Jason,
If your looking for the ultimate aero package check out
the
Pikes Peak
challenger from Toyota... Looks like they grafted a 65
Barracuda window to
the back of the cab. doesn't even look like a truck
anymore...
And
seriously, Once the flow has separated off the edge of
the
truck's cab, your
pretty hosed aerodynamically anyhow, Tonneau or no
Tonneau. The
separation
layer acts as an additional chunk of cab, effectively
making
your little Dak
truck look like a Mack truck in the wind tunnel (Just
think how
big a Mack
truck must look without aerodynamics in the wind
tunnel)...You
need to
smoothly transition the air over the bed from the cab!
The
2/3rds cover
moved to the rear starts sounding like a good initial
approach
with the
racing Tacoma bubble back being the ultimate for
aerodynamic
purposes...
.02
BKB
-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Jennings [mailto:jason@spray-tech.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 12:56 PM
To: 'dakota-truck@buffnet.net'
Subject: RE: DML: RE: R/T bedliner
I to agree with the fact that I should only be concerned
with
the rear
of the bed and truck..... I personally fear the extra
weight
vs. air
flow on the track. Open high hay runs are more costly
in the
drag
factor when thinking in terms of gas mileage. I can see
the
line
between traction and excessive weight. I plan to make a
few
runs w/ the
bed as is.... And contemplate coving the bed with
something
after I
have a few ets in the book. Sorry, I hate to disappoint
everyone, but I
can't take this one as a truck..... If I wanted a truck
in it's
name.
I would have kept my '97 Ram and all of its' dents &
scratches.
Jason
1/7/99 3:57 PM
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Shook [SMTP:gary.shook@mci.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 2:56 PM
To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
Subject: Re: DML: RE: R/T bedliner
I hate to break it to all three of you, but
results from
2 of
the big 3
automakers (you guess which 2) showed that
covering the
bed of a
pickup
truck did little, if anything to improve the
aerodynamics.
I know this sounds hard to believe, but with
their
experimentation the only
thing found to make a measureable improvement
(and still
very
marginal) was
to cover the rear 2/3s of the bed with a hard,
slick
surface and
leave the
front 1/3 UNCOVERED!
The theory is that there is just turbulence
behind the
cab at
speeds where
it would make a difference, and not smooth
airflow-
disrupting
turbulence
does nothing, it's already disturbed ;-)
So in theory, your ET's make go UP when adding a
lid,
unless the
extra
weight gives you more traction that you need.
Personally, I'd
take it for
what it is- a TRUCK, and give up on
aerodynamics, unless
you're
worried
about airflow into the engine!
Just my 2 copper/zinc discs...
Gary Shook
>True...however the lid will ad wait, and with
the line,
lookout
heavy
>boy. That is one of my biggest concerns. That
chute
thing
called a
>short bed. Even with the tail gate down or
off, it
will pull
on the
>truck like a mother. I would slap a lid on it,
but the
slapping can
>only start w/ a few dollars from my end..... I
was
thinking of
a mat
<snip>
> faster you run it. The more potential drag
may
arise???? The
spray on
> kind is not getting my best thoughts
either???? The
spray on
has a
> massive rough surface.... My
opinion.....Leave it
untouched
and just
<snip>
> That is just completely ridiculous, in my
opinion of
course!
in case you
> didn't know, having an open bed is like a
dragging
parachute,
if you are
going
> to be eating fords of the road then you need
to be
installing
a lid. I
drive
> a 98 sports plus with a rhino spray-on and a
gaylord
lid. once
you have a
lid
> it doesn't matter what surface is in your bed
and the
real
drag again is
the
> open bed!!!!
<snip>
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