another thought would be to bust out a software emulator, and maybe a
little SoftIce on it.... Yes it does take a bit of hardware to reverse
engineer the chip. You need something that can read the 101010101010 on
the chip, and something that can crack the 101010101010101010. I might
fire off an email to a few old engineers whom might now if this is
possible. I have the software cracking side, but they might have the
hardware extraction side. Yep, a sweet compiler would do the end trick.
Jason
2/23/99 9:36 AM
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Steiger [SMTP:stei0302@cs.fredonia.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 1:50 AM
To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
Subject: RE: DML: R/T SBEC (Computer) Rag session
At 08:00 AM 2/22/99 -0800, you wrote:
>DML,
>I get the feeling most of these aftermarket computer guys are
struggling and
>confused... JET told me my R/T has a knock sensor (it doesnt),
Hennessy
>thinks JET is made by Superchips and will turn your check
engine light on
>(it doesnt), and Mopar seems to forget what year it is (Im
beginning to
>relate to that one)... Speed brains seems interesting, but Im
not that fond
>of the idea of using a mass air flow sensor in my truck (kinda
obvious and
>has its own issues), and Hypertech doesnt seem to know what a
Mopar
>is...Arent there any game computer science guys out there that
would like to
>take on a reverse engineering project?? Great senior thesis
with real cash
>at the end!!
>BKB
I'd like to try to make a new computer some day... I've got
the equipment
to burn microcontrollers and a C compiler that generates code
for Microchip's
line of microcontrollers. So, we've got the tools, all it would
take is
getting the right code on the chip(s) and wiring the thing up...
I don't know anything about how CC did the Dak computers, but
I'm assuming
they're using code protection, which makes reverse engineering
extremely
difficult. You can't just pull the code off the chip, so (as
far as I know)
what you have to do is follow all the leads to see what sensors
they're going
to, then find the specs on the sensors (voltage range), and
apply varying
voltages to that pin while monitoring all of the others. You
*might* be
able to extrapolate the way the computer is thinking by doing
that. (I don't
have any formal training in this area, so I could be completely
off the
wall; the above is how I'd do it though.) Anyway, a time
consuming, difficult,
expensive process.
Anyway, Accel sells a fuel injection kit that you can use to
install
fuel injection on any vehicle, and the general theories about
EFI are
available (the diy_efi mailing list is an example), so it seems
almost
like it would be easier to start from scratch. Use the
pre-existing
sensors and injectors to get a fuel injection system up and
running,
then add all the other stuff. You could probably run the custom
computer
in tandem with the PCM, with the custom computer intercepting
all signals
to and from the PCM. Anything that hasn't been implemented by
the custom
unit could be "passed through" so the PCM won't generate an
error code
for a sensor it doesn't see... One problem with this method is
the OBD-II
tests. The PCM will sometimes purposely run the engine lean or
rich to
test the O2 sensors, so if the PCM sprays extra fuel and the
engine
doesn't go rich, it'll probably cry "foul". One way around that
might be
to build an "engine simulator", which would be a computer that
interfaces
with the PCM, and feeds it sensor signals to simulate a properly
working
vehicle. Problem with that is if you know enough to do that,
you can
probably build an entirely new PCM anyway... :-P
On the pre-'97 trucks, the guages and stuff aren't run by the
computer,
so starting from scratch would probably be fairly simple; you
just need
to get the fuel injection up and running, then add a few other
little
things. I have a feeling it'd be a lot harder on the new
trucks.
Once I swap out my 318 for a 360, I've been thinking of
putting the
318 on an engine stand and using it to develop a computer. The
problem
with this though is that I barely have time to do the simple
piddly
little mods that I want to do to my Dak, let alone tackle a
project
of this magnatude!
If anyone wants to collaberate on such a project though, I
might
be interested in participating, even if its just to butt in with
my opinions... :-)
-Jon-
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