Sorry missed the Dyno part. But as I've said before I don't care much for
dyno's It can spit out whatever numbers it wants but if my 200hp truck
outruns you're 400hp truck.............
not to insult anyone that believes in dyno's just my point of view.
Joe W.
87 Shelby Charger 13.9
98 Dakota 13.1
----- Original Message -----
From: Cale Henry Bargen <vencomatic@ameritech.net>
To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Throttle Body Challenge
> Hey Joe - you've got a point, but I think the consensus is to measure
> the different HP outputs on a chassis dyno, not at the track. In that
> case, the 5 speed would be more consistent (less prone to performance
> changes through the temperature range, no slippage, etc). I also think
> you're right about the intake system - I'm sure the modified TB's would
> not sing if they had to suck air through that horrible air box.
>
> Later,
> Cale
>
> nosdakota wrote:
> >
> > Using a cold/Ram air setup is a necessity, as the TB may outflow the
stock
> > setup then the TB's would not have the chance to come to life. But I
have to
> > disagree with the 5-speed as it will add a element of human error to the
> > testing process. On that note slicks are a good idea as well so that all
the
> > tests have equal traction(no chance for wheel spin) That is the only way
to
> > compare the TB's against each other and not the driver.
> > Joe W.
> > 87 Shelby Charger 13.9
> > 98 Dakota 13.1
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Cale Henry Bargen <vencomatic@ameritech.net>
> > To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
> > Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 4:41 PM
> > Subject: DML: Throttle Body Challenge
> >
> > > I'd like to throw in a few ideas about this potential test:
> > >
> > > -should use the SAME truck for all testing. This eliminates countless
> > > variables due to the subtle differences from one truck to the next.
Now
> > > that this piece is in place....
> > > -what truck should we use? I think Jon Smith recommended a 5 speed,
and
> > > I agree with that. Also, what combination should we use? Stock
> > > ignition, airbox, IAT location, etc, etc, etc? I would suggest using
a
> > > cold air setup (Quick-D, K&N Gen 2, or equivalent) as I think most of
us
> > > who want a TB are going to go this route.
> > > -If possible, it would be nice to select a V-6 and a 5.2 V-8 to cover
> > > most of the DML members. Adding an RT would be sweet as well.
> > > -A "driving impression" report should be submitted near the end of the
> > > computer re-learning week on all of the non-quantifiable data
(throttle
> > > responsiveness, neat whooshing sounds, aesthetics, etc)
> > > -Not that I don't trust the "Big 4" TB guys, but the units should be
one
> > > that was bought off the shelf by one of us guys, not supplied directly
> > > by the manufacturer. This will avoid any special one-off ultra flow
> > > units with additional trickery. There are countless examples of this
in
> > > performance tests: an automaker gives a car mag a tweaked example
which
> > > proceeds to turn in unreal performance numbers, thereby making the
test
> > > a farce.
> > >
> > > What I have suggested is going to take a span of 3 weeks to complete
per
> > > truck. I know that it's slower, but it is more accurate this way.
Sorry
> > > for the long post, and please feel free to disagree with this test
> > > protocol.
> > >
> > > Cale Bargen
> > > 98cc318sporty, un-keyed.
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