And where are you getting that slanderous amount of information? I've not
heard of any problems with the syty's or the lightning. Also, keep in mind
that 27k for the syty's THEN would be more than the lightning costs now if
you factor inflation. Ah well. All I care about is speed. And the
lightning has it, plus lots of potential to increase it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Stewart [mailto:firebird@kymtnnet.org]
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 4:21 PM
To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
Subject: Re: DML: Re: new 270hp S-10
No, OK, most dealers actually charge at LEAST 2k markup. Making the price at
least 3k. And for the most part, 14.0 to 14.2 is the average bone stock time
of a Lightning. Check out nloc.org and f150online.com as this is where I get
my info. Sorry, that numbers far from impressive for it's price. Slightly
more impressive is the Syclone which cost 27k but pulled of low 13s bone
stock. Too bad they are heaping piles of junk. :) And these days, it's
starting to appear the new Lightnings are just as much pieces of junk. :-(
-Ryan
99 DA RC R/T
----- Original Message -----
From: Stlaurent Mr Steven <STLAURENTS@mctssa.usmc.mil>
To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: DML: Re: new 270hp S-10
> You mean the upper to mid 13s for a 33K truck. No pun intended.
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Steven St.Laurent
> Test Engineer
> Test Branch, GSD, MCTSSA
> MARCORSYSCOM, USMC
> 760-725-2506 (DSN 365-2506)
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Stewart [mailto:firebird@kymtnnet.org]
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 12:31 PM
> To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
> Subject: Re: DML: Re: new 270hp S-10
>
> Whoa there Bernd! First off, Sean is correct, nothing is amazing about a
> truck with a friggin supercharger running low 14s.... I mean, c'mon, just
> this weekend Charles Smith ran faster than 80% of stock Lightnings with
> $1900 in mods NATURALLY ASPIRATED!!! THAT actually makes the Lightning
seem
> kinda, um, well, UNimpressive.
>
> Second, originally anyhow, I was talking about compact/midsize trucks as
the
> thread was about S10s.
>
> Sorry if I seemed to flame a little, but I get tired of people telling me
> how incredible it is to pay $35000 for a 2WD Supercharged truck that does
> friggin low 14s..... It's actually pretty pitiful......
>
> -Ryan
> 99 DA RC R/T
> Paid 16500. Gimme 2100 and I'll take out any stock Lightning for under
20k.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sean Bruckman <bruckman@urisp.com>
> To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 4:32 PM
> Subject: Re: DML: Re: new 270hp S-10
>
>
> > I think what needs to be said here is that:
> >
> > 1) the lightning is faster, but no breakthrough! it's supercharged and
> > therefore not in the same catagory. just because it's supercharged
doesn't
> > make it a better engine. there is nothing, i repeat, nothing special
about
> > the lightning. take a look at the 300M "Special" concept that cranks 300
> hp
> > and 290+ lb.ft. of torque N/A out of a 3.5L V6. THAT is something
> special.
> > (the lightning would have to produce 463hp on premium gas WITHOUT the
> > supercharger/intercooler to achieve that specific output)
> >
> > 2) Ryan is right, the 4.7 and 5.7 are amazing high-tech engines. so,
they
> > are better engines. so, dodge is ahead.
> >
> > 3) the s-10 is lighter, and a more favorable power-to-weight ratio.
> > unfortunately for your argument we're talking about the next-gen s10,
> which
> > is a midsize truck and about the same weight as us, theoretically.
> >
> > So what i'm saying is, when the unibody, next-gen S-10 with a 4.8L V8
> comes
> > out, we will still be dusting them in HO 4.7L's with 325 horse, stock.
> >
> > Sean Bruckman
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <bernd@texas.net>
> > To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
> > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 8:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: DML: Re: new 270hp S-10
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Exactly right.
> > >
> > > - Bernd
> > >
> > >
> > > > I agree. I mean, I would like to think that Mopar will step up to
the
> > plate
> > > once
> > > > again, but don't discount the GM just because we have a V8 and ours
> will
> > be
> > > newer
> > > > and probably have more HP. Yo guys ever hear of "POwer-To-Weight
> Ratio"?
> > It
> > > doesn't
> > > > take a rocket scientist to figure out that the S-Trucks are lighter
> than
> > the
> > > Daks.
> > > >
> > > > bernd@texas.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Not to defend "the other guys" here...but you stated "Chevy and
Ford
> > are
> > > always
> > > > > one step BEHIND."...explain the Lightning. You know...the truck
> that,
> > in
> > > > > factory form, can take most of our modified trucks and chew them
up
> > for
> > > > > breakfast.
> > > > >
> > > > > We spend thousands of dollars on modifications (Superchargers,
> > Headers,
> > > > > Nitrous, Throttle Bodies, Cams, M1's, etc...) and all they have to
> do
> > to hit
> > > > > the 12's is a simple air cleaner/mass airflow change and a
> > "chip"...for no
> > > more
> > > > > than $500 in some cases.
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, i'm not trying to defend them...but we need to be a little
> bit
> > more
> > > > > careful about what we say about the competition.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Bernd
> > > > >
> > > > > > Yep, but when this comes out it will be too little, too late, as
a
> > new
> > > > > > series of V8s (hemis) will already be in the
Dakotas........Chevy
> > and Ford
> > > > > > are always one step BEHIND. :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Ryan
> > > > > > 99 DA RC R/T
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <Y2KDakuda@aol.com>
> > > > > > To: <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>; <STLAURENTS@mctssa.usmc.mil>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 12:57 PM
> > > > > > Subject: DML: new 270hp S-10
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://pickuptruck.com/html/future/chevrolet/sseries.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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