And these are all street legal? stock bloc? Not strippe dinteriors or a
bunch of fiberglass pieces? That's what i meant, anyone can make a car weigh
1800lbs and pput a bunch of shit on it and just run it at the track......
-Ryan
99 DA RC R/T
Only real impressed with fully streetable.street driven cars.....
----- Original Message -----
From: Stlaurent Mr Steven <STLAURENTS@mctssa.usmc.mil>
To: <dakota-truck@BUFFNET.NET>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 7:54 PM
Subject: RE: DML: Sub 12 Neon Turbo-Truth or Facts
> Actually it is in England. If that bought that Cosworth Escort here, it
> will be hard to beat.
>
> The fastest Focus runs in the 7s, though not officially. It is own by the
> McGuire's Wax folks.
>
> Roush is working on a SC Root style Focus this year and will have it's
HELL
> DAY against the Ricers. hehehehhe
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Steven St.Laurent
> Test Engineer
> Test Branch, GSD, MCTSSA
> MARCORSYSCOM, USMC
> 760-725-2506 (DSN 365-2506)
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Stewart [mailto:firebird@kymtnnet.org]
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 4:14 PM
> To: dakota-truck@BUFFNET.NET
> Subject: Re: DML: Sub 12 Neon Turbo-Truth or Facts
>
> My thoughts exactly john. being a Mopar owner and fan, I'm proud to ha ve
> this car and driver in the Mopar camp. JMO
>
> -Ryan
> 99 DA RC R/T
> Where's Ford's 10 second Escort or Focus? Hehehe. What about Chibbies ten
> second Cavvy?
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jon Steiger <jon@dakota-truck.net>
> To: <dakota-truck-moderator@twisted.twistedbits.net>
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: DML: Sub 12 Neon Turbo-Truth or Facts
>
>
> > STLAURENTS@mctssa.usmc.mil (Stlaurent Mr Steven) wrote in
> > <A58A344E318AD21190C5004095103E720188516C@mctssa02.mctssa.usmc.mil>:
> >
> > >Since most Neon run into 16.xx on the average for the 1/4 mile, I
cannot
> > >see even with a 8PSI Turbo unit, which is a safe zone for the drive
> > >train and engine components to outrun even a stock Viper. The Viper
GTS
> > >runs 12.2-12.4 in the 1/4 mile on stock drive train. Now you see my
> > >point.
> > >
> > >Since I have seen the numbers for a Whipple SC Neon motor, the 1/4 mile
> > >times doesn't match with this comparo. Ryan, even with a 6 or 8PSI,
you
> > >will only get around 200-215HP at the front drive train and no more.
> > >With this in mind, the Neon is only going to produce around a low 15 or
> > >high 14 at the most depending on which tires the dude is running. Then
> > >add a few other extras, he may make it into the low 14. Even comparing
> > >weight of a mere 600 lbs difference is not going to help the Neon.
> > >
> > >What I am seeing here is 16PSI or better and plus some other stuff keep
> > >it from failing on the street or strip while running below the 12.x
> > >range. Maybe a bottle on top a turbo. There is no way...no way he
> > >running something that low and beating a Viper GTS. If he were, I
would
> > >opt to buy a Neon and load it. To much money in investing into the
Neon
> > >to keep the car together for both street and strip.
> > >
> > >What he saying and what is reality is another story.
> > >
> >
> >
> > He doesn't actually say what boost level he is running on his site
(not
> that
> > I can see, anyway), but I do agree that he is obviously running a mess
of
> it.
> > I wouldn't be surprised at all if he were running in excess of 20psi.
> But...
> > Some motors can take it, when they've been built for it. (One example
is
> a
> > tractor pull motor which I *think* will commonly run around 100psi of
> boost (I
> > would have to look that up for sure, but it is a heck of a lot of
boost))
> :-)
> >
> > Anyway, he is indeed running a 100hp shot of nitrous on top of the
> blower.
> > (This is actually quite common on imports and the like who run a single
> large
> > turbo; they generally don't start making big power until the mid or
upper
> rpms
> > so they need the nitrous off the line to boost low end power. I don't
> know how
> > Len's Neon is set up, but I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case.
> Plus,
> > nitrous makes a great "intercooler".) The page says he is using forged
> pistons
> > and billet connecting rods, so they have obviously done some work to
beef
> it
> > up. If it holds together, more power to 'em! (no pun intended) ;-) He
> makes
> > his runs on slicks, and the car's race weight (with driver) is 2400lbs.
> >
> > I'm a bit confused by the hostility this car has generated. I see no
> reason
> > to doubt what they have said on the web site, and if anything we should
be
> > offering Len and Hahn Turbo Systems our kudos for building such a neat
> Mopar
> > that will open some eyes and blow some minds. :-)
> >
> > I also don't see anything wrong with a vehicle that runs higher boost
at
> the
> > track than it does on the street. Its usually a compromise; many people
> are
> > willing to up the boost for short periods to turn good times, but they
may
> not
> > want their engine running on the ragged edge all of the time. In fact,
> this is
> > exactly what nitrous users do... For those people who can't afford to
> build a
> > motor up to the level where it will take full power full time, being
able
> to
> > alter the power level offers them the best of both worlds... I believe
> the car
> > is driven year round, and someone said he is located in IL; I sure
> wouldn't
> > want to drive a 600hp Neon in the snow! Anyhoo, everybody's situation
is
> > different and I guess it just boils down to "to each his own"...
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Jon-
> >
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