RE: dak running bad revisited... o2 sensor?

From: Bernd D. Ratsch (bernd@texas.net)
Date: Fri Aug 03 2001 - 21:37:52 EDT


Hehehehe....and THENNNNNNNNNNnnnnnnnnnn..... ;)

- Bernd

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-dakota-truck@buffnet.net
[mailto:owner-dakota-truck@buffnet.net] On Behalf Of Bob Tom
Subject: Re: DML: dak running bad revisited... o2 sensor?

The following is what I've read about Chrysler downstream O2 sensor. I
have nothing else to go on to confirm or not confirm it.

Chrysler OBDII vehicles do use the downstream O2 sensor input to
optimize cat converter performance. Supposedly, Chrysler has a patent
on the system in which the downstream sensor is used this way.

Since the introduction of OBDII with both upstream and downstream O2
sensors, the downstream O2 sensor has been used to evaluate catalytic
converter
operation
and to control converter efficiency.

When looking at the upstream O2 sensor goal voltage, it should fluctuate
above and below the normal center (.4 to .6 volts) based upon what the
downstream O2 sensor is reading. The vehicle should be driven through
all speed ranges when checking goal voltage. If the goal stays high or
low all the time, a
thorough check
of the downstream oxygen sensor should be made. Be sure to check the
sensor, wiring harness, connectors, catalytic converter itself, and
inspect for
exhaust leaks.

Although a MIL lamp may not be illuminated, there are instances when the

downstream
O2 sensor goal voltage is out of range, causing driveability problems or

low fuel economy.
If the downstream O2 sensor tends to stay below center all the time, the

PCM will adjust
the goal voltage higher in an effort to correct the low O2 readings of
the
downstream sensor.
This can result in low fuel mileage.

If the downstream O2 sensor has a tendency to stay above center, the PCM

will set a low
goal voltage which results in a lean fuel mix which can cause the engine
to
run hotter and
aggravate a spark knock condition.

Sometimes a service technician will reset the PCM and take it for a test

drive. The PCM
does a recalibration after the reset, and the problem may go away until
the
PCM has completed
a relearn of the system and then begins to attempt to correct for the
downstream sensor error.
If the symptoms reappear after several days of driving after a service
is
performed, check the
downstream O2 sensor, the exhaust system, the wiring, and the catalytic
converter.
Note: a worn out catalytic converter can produce symptoms similar to a
bad
downstream O2 sensor.

I had sit the above aside because it runs contrary to most of what I've
read about the downstream
O2 sensor. I know the diy-efi knowledgeable people have had debates
about
what the
downstream O2 sensor affects and does not affect.

Sorry to have made the water muddier.

Bob Tom Burlington, Ont., Canada
'97 Dakota Sport, 4x2, CC, Flame red, 5.2L, auto., 3.92SG



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