Rick:
No need to get you panties in a bunch! Five rebuttals in 27 minutes!!! I
really didn't mean to get under your skin, I was just looking for more
information.
The only reason that I mention the failures on the Fords is that there must
be some commonality with the failures being reported to Mr. Knize. Bad
batch (god forbid), race motor?, faulty engine design (it is ford!)? I just
don't know. It is for this reason not to mention your failure (mobil
filter) that makes me want more information on the K&N. I don't want one to
fail on me, but I'm sure every filter has had failures.
The only info I have on the K&N is from their web site. The "oil filter
study" did not do any research on the K&N and therefor I am trying to get
some additional information.
I have been to both web sites and read all the materials. K&N does not
provide as much detail regarding their "resin impregnated filter media", so
I was unaware that it was synthetic.
I also beg to differ that the 98% and 96% are typical for oil filters. They
may be for some of the newer synthetic blends, but not for paper. What is
the single and multi pass efficiency rating for the k&N? The web site did
not say.
Also, as I stated earlier, the Mobil 1 has nearly the capacity of the "pure
one", but with out packing the crap out of the case. At some point in time,
to much media will begin to limit the flow of the filter.
As for the case of the AC Delco... I've got a leaky steel plate that will
filter down to 0.00 microns. I'm not the one that made a big deal out of 10
- 20 micron filtration.
My research on the Mobil 1 filter includes the "oil filter study", review of
the numerous web sites, and discussion just like this one. That's it!
Sorry!
I though you said that you saw a web site detailing the K&N but were unable
to find it. That is the only reason I requested the information when you
found it.
Again, I have nothing against the K&N other than I don't know enough about
it. The mobil web site provided me with a little more information, that's
all. It is very difficult to get sound, independent information as we
humans tend to give into the hype and marketing rather than facts... of
course that's because nobody gives us all the facts.
I hope we can now put this to bed.
Chris
Rick Barnes wrote:
> And, in all fairness to the discussion, here is info on the Mobil One
> filter from their own website. By the way, the A/C Delco Gold filter
> claims it filters 8-10 microns...
> http://www.mobil1.com/index.jsp
>
> Rascal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net] On Behalf Of Chris Rininger
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:58 PM
> To: dakota-truck-moderator@bent.twistedbits.net
> Subject: Re: DML: RE: Re: Oil Pressure Problems
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> No offense, but 10 - 20 microns is what a mobil 1 filter will achieve
> and I
> would bet that the single and multi pass efficiencies are better than
> the K&N
> due to the synthetic filtering media. I understand that the Mr. Knize
> was
> receiving notice of several failures, but also note that every failure
> was on a
> Ford. Not that I can explain it, but it sure seems weird that all of
> the
> failures were from one engine manufacturer.
>
> It seems to me from my research that the Mobil filter is as good if not
> better
> than the K&N from a filtering standpoint. I don't think that can be
> argured.
> The filter has a 98% single pass and a 96% multi pass efficiency rating.
> That
> is pretty impressive considering they have not stuffed the canister with
> so much
> filter that the flow is impeded.
>
> I hope you find the info on the K&N that you spoke of, as I am always
> interested in using the best oil and filter and cannot really find much
> information regarding the K&N.
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris Rininger wrote:
>
> > Rick:
> >
> > I wouldn't say that there is nothing special about the Mobil 1
> filters. Yes
> > they are made by Champion (not the plug maker), but champion makes a
> good
> > quality filter. The mobil 1 filters casing is ungodly strong and it
> has all
> > parts of an excellent filter. i.e.. nitrile seals on the antidrain,
> etc. It
> > contains a synthetic media that is strong and filters quite well
> without
> > impeding flow. Check out the mini-mopar study done by Russ Knize.
> > http://www.minimopar.net/oilfilterstudy.html#mobil1
> >
> > I myself use Mobil 1 filters and have not had a single problem with
> them,
> > but if there are issues, I just might make the change.
> >
> > Can you enlighten me as to why the K&N is superior in every way? I
> have not
> > been able to obtain any independent information regarding this claim.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Rick Barnes wrote:
> >
> > > Ron, MobilOne filters are simply Champion filters...nothing special
> > > about them. I had an anti drainback valve fail in one of those once
> and
> > > I called Mobil One to complain. They told me they do not even make
> the
> > > filter. I now only use K&N, a superior filter in everyway.
> > > Rascal
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
> > > [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net] On Behalf Of
> scsilverdak
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 4:35 PM
> > > To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
> > > Subject: DML: Re: Oil Pressure Problems
> > >
> > > I've heard that switching from conventional oil to synthetic oil
> after a
> > > certain amount of mileage can cause problems with oil consumption
> and
> > > oil
> > > pressure levels, I run MOBIL-1 10w30 year round with no problems and
> my
> > > oil
> > > pressure is always good, it'll vary from the mid point on the gauge
> to
> > > just
> > > shy of the mark towards the high side depending on RPM. I switched
> to it
> > > after the initial break-in period at approximately 3,000-3,500 miles
> and
> > > have had no problems at all. How many miles were on the engine
> when
> > > you
> > > changed to synthetic?
> > >
> > > On a side note what oil filter are you using? I've run into some
> brands
> > > that
> > > effect oil pressure due to design problems. All I use are the
> MOBIL-1
> > > filters, they have higher burst pressures, better media for enhanced
> > > filtration. They'll handle upwards of 500 psi without failure
> > > and if you hold one compared to other brands there is a
> > > weight difference over say a FRAM, BOSCH,STP, or
> > > MOPAR replacement filters. I split one open once after
> > > using it and it traps a heck of a lot more dirt, and debris
> > > than any filter I've used.
> > >
> > > just my .02 cents worth!
> > >
> > > Ron-
> > > 2001 Dakota Sport 3.9 supercharged br silver
> > > e-mail: scsilverdak@hotmail.com
> > > website: www.scsilverdak.com
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "''Granpa'' Silver89" <SilverEightynine@aol.com>
> > > To: <dakota-truck-moderator@bent.twistedbits.net>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 3:46 PM
> > > Subject: DML: Oil Pressure Problems
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I changed the oil in the 4x4 over from conventioanl oil to Mobil 1
> > > > 10-w30 synthetic. This is the first summer I have had the 4x4 and
> > > have
> > > > never driven it in heat before. My problem is the oil pressure
> > > > lately has been just in the normal range. Lower than I think it
> should
> > > > be. I checked and I was low on oil for some reason. I added a two
> > > > quarts of oil to it which brought it up one quart over teh full
> line.
> > > > (grumble) I'm wondering if I am using the wrong type of oil. is
> > > 10-w30
> > > > too thin for summer driving? Its almost time for me to change the
> oil
> > > > again, so I want to get it right.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Granpa" Silver 89
> > > > SilverEightynine@earthlink.net
> > > >
> > > >
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