RE: Re: Was New Guy, Now FIPK

From: Bernd D. Ratsch (bernd@texas.net)
Date: Sun Aug 18 2002 - 02:12:34 EDT


Gary...cone filters, such as the K&N, S&B, or Holley cones, pull the air
in from the base...not the tip. (The "Velocity Stack" style open tip
conical filters do work...but still pull a majority of the air in from
the base.)

On the air bending...it really doesn't matter where it's coming from
(outside air), it's how it's routed into the intake and then into the
engine.

- Bernd

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
[mailto:owner-dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net] On Behalf Of Gary Hedlin
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 11:03 PM
To: dakota-truck-moderator@bent.twistedbits.net
Subject: DML: Re: Was New Guy, Now FIPK

See, thats kinda where I'm coming from. The FPIK's main feature is the
heat sheild. Yes, It does guard agianst the direct heat from the
engine. However, you still have one large chunk of steel heating the
surrounding metal parts. All of these hot parts heat up the air BIG
TIME.

Just look at a radiator in an older house. The radiators heat the rooms
beautifully. The fact that the boilers are not too efficent is why
they're not used too much in new house.

Annyway, The FPIK still uses the stock air inflow setup, going through
the passenger fender. Keep in mind the fender is metal, being heated by
the heat from the engine. So, the air is already hot BEFORE it enters
the FPIK. So what use is the heat sheild?

On my homebrew setup, I have the cone filter right by the 2 AC lines by
the radiatior. I did this for 2 reasons... 1. by being so close to the
front grill, I'm getting the air before it has a chance to be heated by
the engine. 2. By being by the front grill, the air is rammed into the
intake more than a FPIK would be. Remember, the cone filter is by the
wheel well on a FPIK setup. Plus I don't have a heat sheild blocking
air coming
straight in. Any time you route air through bends, the air looses
velocity.

 So, I'm not waisting the $250 on a FPIK!

Gary Hedlin
"The Crazy Quadraplegic"
ghedlin@theramp.net (business)
ragingquad@yahoo.com (personal)
**Also Webmaster For**
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""Ronald Wong"" <ron-wong@cox.net> wrote in message
news:NDBBIHDGKKJOIJDEOCBMKELLFOAA.ron-wong@cox.net...
>
> The FIPK doesn't allow that much more air in, but with the heat
> shield, it will let cooler air in. As for the rubber flap it doesn't
> hurt to take
that
> out anyway to let more (and cooler) air into the engine compartment.
> By
the
> way, that will also help the FIPK since the filter does end up not too

> far away from there. As for ram air, that isn't going to be effective

> 'til you're up beyond 120 mph.
>
> Ultimately though, what I would like to do is ram 45ºF air in. I
> would
like
> to have bigger valves like on R/T heads, a ported manifold, and bigger
cam.
> Of course, that will require other parts to be changed and/or
> blueprinted, balanced, etc. ...and last, but not least, the moolah to
> pay for all that.
>
> Ron
> 00 PB SLT QC 4X2 5.9 46RE 3.92 LSD
> For modifications see my DML Profile (URL follows)
> http://www.twistedbits.net/WWWProfile/dakota/Kw9pV1EkFeOYY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net]On Behalf Of Gary Hedlin
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 8:40 PM
> To: dakota-truck-moderator@bent.twistedbits.net
> Subject: DML: Re: RE: Re: Howdy from the New Guy
>
>
>
> The thing I am not convinced about the FPIK is the engine is only
> going to allow so much air into the manifold. Unless youre running a
> supercharger, or have a ram-air setup, it sound pointless to spend the

> $$ on a system
that
> still uses the "through the fender" intake system. At least with a
> homebrew, you can take out that rubber flap by the radiator and point
> the filter twords that.
>
>
> --
> Gary Hedlin
> "The Crazy Quadraplegic"
> ghedlin@theramp.net (business)
> ragingquad@yahoo.com (personal)
> **Also Webmaster For**
> http://garyhedlin.com
> http://socaldakota.com
> http://scsilverdak.com
> http://assistivetechnologies.com
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>
> ""Ronald Wong"" <ron-wong@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:NDBBIHDGKKJOIJDEOCBMIELKFOAA.ron-wong@cox.net...
> >
> > While I agree with Gary on the F&B TB (it works great) I disagree
> > with
him
> > on the FIPK. I had tried several different intake setups and I find
that
> > the FIPK is better all the way around. I notice more power out if
> > it (though I have no dyno sheets to prove it). I think the major
> > factors
> were
> > the one piece airhat to filter setup, and the heat shield. I can't
> > tell
> you
> > much about high-flow cats as I've never had one. I don't see a lot
> > of resistance there...yet. I am a believer of cat-back setups. I
> > have a
> Borla
> > (rather expensive) and I love the sound and it freed up the back
pressure
> > just enough. That coupled with the Mopar headers makes a tremendous

> > difference. You can get all of this from Speedtweaks as Gary
> > mentioned,
> or
> > a number of other dealers. The headers are also available form the
> > manufacturer, Mike Leach & Co. and the TB is available from Bruce
Bridges,
> > the manufacturer. Chip reflashes, if available, can also be gotten
> through
> > Mike Leach, associate of Ron Zimmer, a Mopar PCM programmer. Other
things
> I
> > have done is a Line-X bedliner and a Snug Top tonneau cover for the
back.
> > You can read more in my DML profile. See the link following the
> signature.
> >
> > Ron
> > 00 PB SLT QC 4X2 5.9 46RE 3.92 LSD
> > For modifications see my DML Profile (URL follows)
> > http://www.twistedbits.net/WWWProfile/dakota/Kw9pV1EkFeOYY
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
> > [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net]On Behalf Of Gary Hedlin
> > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:58 PM
> > To: dakota-truck-moderator@bent.twistedbits.net
> > Subject: DML: Re: Howdy from the New Guy
> >
> >
> >
> > Welcome Jim! Its always a pleasure to see new members! It sounds
> > like
> you
> > have an ambitious mods plan! My advice is to don't mess with the
> > K&N
> FPIK,
> > you can make one yourself for about $50. Heres the plans:
> > http://gibsdakota.com/hb_intake.htm
> >
> > See, you're already reaping the rewards of being a DML member!
> >
> > As far as the throttle body, you might want to check out
> www.socaldakota.com
> > He has some good prices on F&B throttle bodies. He also has your
headers!
> > As far as a cat-back system, I would put the money into a high flow
> > cat
> and
> > a flowmaster 50 or 70 series muffler. You'll gain nothing from a
> > dual setup.
> >
> > Another good site to visit is www.speedtweaks.net He has a lot of
stuff,
> > and Bernd is the Einstein of the Dakota world! He's our resident
"advice
> > guy", a hell of a nice guy too!
> >
> > Well, hope you enjoy being a member of the DML, and I'm sure you'll
> > gain
a
> > lot of info, even from a crazy SOB like me!
> >
> >
> > Gary Hedlin
> > "The Crazy Quadriplegic"
> > ghedlin@theramp.net (business)
> > ragingquad@yahoo.com (personal)
> > **Also Webmaster For**
> > http://garyhedlin.com
> > http://socaldakota.com
> > http://scsilverdak.com
> > http://assistivetechnologies.com
> > ...And Many More!
> >
> > "Jim Wells" <roadtrash52@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:20020818012301.58504.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com...
> > >
> > > Hi, all......this is a combination of test-post (to
> > > see if I actually got it right) and a big ol' "howdy"
> > > to my fellow Dak'ers......mine is an '01 SLT+, 4.7, Multi-Speed
> > > auto, and just about everything but the kitchen sink and the
> > > Port-O-Let in the bed. Plans are for a K&N Gen II FIPK, JBA
> > > headers, Gibson cat-back, Thunderform 10" powered subs, an
> > > additional set of the Infinity tweeters in the upper rear corners,

> > > an active crossover, midrange and tweeter amps, a BUNCH of
> > > DynaMat for deadening the truck's natural resonances,
> > > and maybe a chip reflash and a cleaned-up throttle
> > > body. If any of you guys have done any of this stuff,
> > > I'd really appreciate hearing about it. BTW, an
> > > engineer friend of mine and I are trying to put to
> > > gether a design for rear discs on the Gen III trucks
> > > that will use the existing drums for parking brakes,
> > > but put some SERIOUS ooomph into the stopping power at
> > > the rear. Stay tuned......Jim
> > >
> > >
> > >
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