I'm back from CA. I'll take some pics of the filters we have and can show
you the difference in them.
Nah...not sensitive. There ARE some pretty crappy dealers out there.
- Bernd
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
[mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net] On Behalf Of Barry Oliver
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 10:51 AM
To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
Subject: Re: DML: RE: knocking after oil change
Bernd, would you be willing to ship one of those filters to me? On your
advice that Mopar is in fact superior to my K&N/ Mobil1 filters I went to my
local dodge dealer, and told them I wanted 6 oil filters for my 99 5.2.
They came back with 4 boxed filters in 2 different kind of boxes - big and
small, and 2 loose, one shrinkwrapped, one open. I lined all 6 filters up
on the counter in front of the service manager and asked why they were all
different. I got a muttered response about different sources and
manufacturers. None of the ones they presented to me appeared to be of the
quality you described. I left.
Disclaimer: I know Bernd can get sensitive about things, so let me be very
clear, I do not believe *my* dodge dealer worth a damn. I am quite sure
that these new and improved mopar filters exist, and Bernd has worked with
them. Out here in flatland illinois with the crappy dealers we are forced
to deal with, it's a different story.
Bernd D. Ratsch wrote:
> I can tell you that they are NOT Fram filters. The element, spring,
> drain-back valve (also much more heavy duty that Mobil-1 or K&N), and
> method to put it all together doesn't even come close to the Fram
> filters - any of them. We've cut quite a few filters apart to show
> customers the difference and the Fram, Purolator, STP, and Pennzoil
> filters are not even close to the Mopar.
>
> - Bernd
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net] On Behalf Of
> david.clement@verizon.net
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 11:06 AM
> To: dakota-truck-moderator@bent.twistedbits.net
> Subject: RE: DML: RE: knocking after oil change
>
>
> FWIW, mopar filters are quite often the same FRAM filter that are also
> branded as Penzoil or Quaker State. When my son worked for the local
> Dodge dealer he used to bring home filters for me. Many were obviously
> FRAM's others had an oblong hole that I could not ID the manufacturer
> of. If you are looking for a consistently manufacturered filter I
> would stay away from the mopar brand.
>
> Currently I am using Motorcraft filters (they have been rebranded
> Purolator for the last couple of years). FL300 on the Dakota (no room
> for the FL1A), FL1A on the Barracuda and FL400 on the PT. Less than $3 at
Wal-Mart.
>
> Dave Clement
>
> In article <BAY101-DAV10D3D1730E073B1C4958AAD2A30@phx.gbl>,
> fasstdak@hotmail.com ("Bernd D. Ratsch") writes:
>
>>Honestly, try to stay away from the Pennzoil (and other lower grade)
>>filters. The anti-drainback valve is either sub-standard or they have
>>holes drilled in the base to allow for "quicker oil flow" (unfiltered
>>at
>
> that).
>
>>The Mopar filter is seriously one of the best out there. We see too
>>many "knocking on cold start" problems. We install the Mopar filter
>>and it goes away (even happened to me - used to run Mobil-1 and
>>they're an excellent filter as well).
>>
>>The other item could also be grundge in the oil pickup.
>>
>>- Bernd
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
>>[mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net] On Behalf Of Eric
>>Huff
>>Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:09 PM
>>To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
>>Subject: Re: DML: RE: knocking after oil change
>>
>>
>>
>>>What oil filter are you using?
>>
>>This one is Penzoil PZ-34. I have used the same kind before, but not
>>in the last few changes.
>>
>>In case i wasn't clear enough, it doesn't do it at each start, it just
>>did it when i first started it up after i filled it up with new oil.
>>
>>I did fill the filter with oil once before installing it. ("once"
>>meaning i poured oil in until it came to the top, but didn't keep
>>filling as the oil soaked into the filter.)
>>
>>Pretty much my normal procedure. It might be that i usu get more oil
>>in the filter, but not drastically more.
>>
>>The last oil change was done at the dealer, so it's possible that the
>>sound creeped up in 2 steps.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>eric
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
>>>[mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net] On Behalf Of Eric
>>>Huff Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 8:28 PM
>>>To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
>>>Subject: DML: knocking after oil change
>>>
>>>
>>>After changing the oil on the dakota, i started it.
>>>
>>>I am used to a little "clacking" that i assume is lifters waiting to
>>>get oil, but this time i heard "knocking" sounds that seemed louder
>>>than i remember (and deeper than the clacking).
>>>
>>>Any idea what this is a sign of?
>>>
>>>I used valvoline 10W30 like usual (though whenever i happen to get
>>>the oil changed with warranty work, they use penzoil, i think).
>
>
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