Re: Re: Dakota Won't Start

From: JAMES KNOX (knox.james@sympatico.ca)
Date: Wed Jan 24 2007 - 18:40:54 EST


I suggest pulling 2 opposite plugs and checking with compression gauge to
make sure the engine is in the correct
compession range.

Jim, 91 Dak 318LA

----- Original Message -----
From: <thebearcentral@cox.net>
To: <dakota-truck-moderator@bent.twistedbits.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Dakota Won't Start

>
> In article <00eb01c74005$30111af0$0602a8c0@dell>, jcalder3@cfl.rr.com
> ("Jamie
> Calder") writes:
>>
>
>
> pull spark plug and and ground it put your finger in the hole if you have
> compreshon you finger will get blown off.......
>
> chris
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Still no go... Here's what I did so far:
>>
>> Crank Position Sensor showed resistance so I replaced it.
>> Cam Position Sensor tested good.
>> Fuel pressure at 49 PSI.
>> Spark from all wires.
>> Watched distributor rotor for smooth rotation. No indication of broken
>> cam
>> or distributor teeth.
>> Looked for any signs of wire harness corrosion and checked all grounds.
>> After all that...Replaced PCM! And...STILL NO GO!!!
>> I could check voltage at the injector PCM pins but a new PCM should have
>> fixed that.
>> How about a broken timing chain. Is removing the valve cover the easiest
>> way to check for that?
>> Any other ideas are greatly appreciated!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> James
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
>> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net] On Behalf Of Jamie
>> Calder
>> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 11:39 AM
>> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
>> Subject: DML: RE: Re: RE: Re: Dakota Won't Start
>>
>>
>> Well I tested the CPS as per the FSM and it showed resistance so I
>> replaced
>> it, however the truck still won't start. I checked the CPS and it shows
>> the
>> fluctuating voltage as per the FSM so it appears to be good. Cap and
>> rotor
>> appear fine. Fuel pressure at 49 PSI. Still no codes. I'm going to
>> check
>> what the voltage should be at the injectors. Right now the meter shows
>> only
>> 2.5 volts but it's a digital volt meter. I believe an analog meter is
>> better
>> for testing quickly fluctuating voltage.
>> Any other suggestions are greatly appreciated!
>> James
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
>> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net] On Behalf Of Biff Byrum
>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:22 PM
>> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
>> Subject: DML: Re: RE: Re: Dakota Won't Start
>>
>>
>> Well, 120 is kinda well before those sensors seem to want to fail. If
>> yours
>> is a 96, you should have OBDII. A reader might solve the problem real
>> fast.
>> Especially if you get a P1xxx code. Those are the manufacturer-specific
>> codes. I've heard of one that says "disagreement between cam and crank
>> position sensor signals. I think it was P1903. Since you have the FSM, it
>> should tell you what you need. Biff
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jamie Calder" <jcalder3@cfl.rr.com>
>> To: <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 4:22 PM
>> Subject: DML: RE: Re: Dakota Won't Start
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Thanks for the reply. I'll try those sensors, I actually have a spare
>> > of each. I'll also check the FSM. to see if there's a simple test
>> > procedure for them. The truck has 120,000 miles on it. I swapped
>> > relays already so the ASD relay seems good.
>> >
>> > Thanks again,
>> > James
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
>> > [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net] On Behalf Of Biff
>> > Byrum
>> > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:12 PM
>> > To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
>> > Subject: DML: Re: Dakota Won't Start
>> >
>> >
>> > First thought: Crank position sensor, then cam position sensor. Both
>> > should throw, but they don't always. How many miles do you have on it?
>> > Also, this is a long shot, since they very seldom go bad, but ASD
>> > relay?
>> > Biff
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Jamie Calder" <jcalder3@cfl.rr.com>
>> > To: <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
>> > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 3:40 PM
>> > Subject: DML: Dakota Won't Start
>> >>
>> >> Hello all,
>> >>
>> >> I just got to pay $200 to get my '96 318 Dakota towed back to my
>> >> house! It just quit with no warning on I95. It turns over freely,
>> >> has
>> >> 1/2 tank of gas, no trouble codes, and I pulled a wire and it has
>> >> spark (that one wire anyways). The fuel pressure gauge shows 49 PSI
>> >> when the key is turned. The voltage at the injector plugs goes up to
>> >> about
>> >> 2.5 volts. Is this normal? It's a digital volt meter and maybe the
>> >> split second the voltage jumps to 12 volts isn't long enough to
>> >> register on the digital
>> > volt meter? Any other ideas on where to start to look?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> James
>>
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