Tundras are also $10,000 more than the Dodge, Ford, Chevy equivalent. That
alone is hurting Toyota sales.
Jim Nelson
<msnbcnnbcbs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ev3cob$vg2$1@bent.twistedbits.net...
>
>
> Why have dodges cars and trucks gotten so damn ugly in the last 4 years?!
> I
> always looked at dodge as a company that made vehicles that had lots of
> visual
> appeal.
>
> The first "big-rig" generation ram
> The gen-3 Dak
> The 2-door 2004'ish chrysler sebring
> the minivans
> The intrepid (ok, i liked this one, it was personal)
>
>
>
> The Dak is a glaring example of why the company is failing. Take a formula
> that
> was succeeding, and throw it right out the window. Instead, try the
> tried-and-failed method of *comformity*. The current Dak is (in my
> opinion) one
> of the UGLIEST looking vehicles on the road, and the 2008 model isnt doing
> much
> better. Then they take another half-assed shot at improving its image by
> upping
> the 4.7's power to where it should have been YEARS ago. (btw, i cant wait
> to
> see the sticker price on a dak equipped with that new "H.O." engine) The
> truck
> is TOO DAMN HEAVY. Wheres the hemi-powered dak at?!
>
>
> And to top it all off, Toyota just slapped the big three upside the face
> with
> the new tundra. The tundras new 5.7 is putting out 381hp/400lbs-ft, and is
> probably out-towing, out performing, and most likely out-economizing all
> three.
>
> Time, of course, will tell how it all plays out.
>
>
>
>
> In article <003901c7771c$b3dd1a70$6601a8c0@Mopar>, kerib@ptd.net ("Tom
> Byrne")
> writes:
>>
>>
>> You heard wrong. If Cerberus or the Blackstone/Centerbridge group buys
>> Chrysler a break up could be possible. The more likely plan is for one of
>> the potential buyers to tell the UAW to take a hike, build trucks in
>> North
>> America and build small cars overseas where they can be built profitably.
>> This puts Magna in the best spot as it builds cars for Chrysler in
>> Austria
>> and it has production facilities in Canada where the CAW is a bit more
>> cooperative than the UAW. The next plan would be to steal a page from
>> Toyota's book and build vehicles in non-union plants in the Southern U.S.
>> where they can be built profitably. The Dak would likely be history.
>> There
>> would be a Ram, maybe a small truck and crossover SUVs. Marketing would
>> be
>> improved. I mean, why doesn't DCX mention that the 2wd Magnum (any
>> engine)
>> gets essentially the same mileage as the V6 Camry.
>>
>> The Caliber sells well, but thee isn't much profit in small cars The
>> Avenger is a job not finished, but has potential. The drag comes from
>> trucks
>> and poor marketing of the Magnum. Charger and 300 since fuel prices began
>> to
>> rise in 2005. Jeep is the crown jewel here. It has tremendous brand
>> recognition and loyalty. Look for the new owner to kill the Compass.
>>
>> Remember, Chrysler was making money building cars up until that time.
>> The last time GM's and Ford made money form auto operations was 2001.
>> They
>> did make money through 2004, but that is because their financing units
>> (GMAC
>> and FMCR) made more than auto ops lost.
>>
>> I have to be careful what I say because I am not a casual outside
>> observer (professional life), but I want to clear some things up here.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gabriel A. Couriel" <gcouriel@bellsouth.net>
>> To: <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:25 PM
>> Subject: RE: DML: Daimler confims talks to dump Chrysler
>>
>>
>> >
>> > news i heard today on the radio was that DCX was considering selling
>> > parts
>> > piece-meal, if they can't get an all-or-nothing bid. also, DCX will
>> > select
>> > a potential suitor by end of the month, and then hold negotiations with
>> > just
>> > that buyer.
>> >
>> > Gabriel A. Couriel
>> >
>> > 2006 DML Fantasy Football Champion
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
>> > [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net]On Behalf Of Bernd D.
>> > Ratsch
>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:35 PM
>> > To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
>> > Subject: RE: DML: Daimler confims talks to dump Chrysler
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > It's a coincidence...however, the District Rep here confirmed the
>> > story...we
>> > just don't know who's going to be in on it yet. GM did try to buy out
>> > the
>> > Jeep line...but DC told them either all or none.
>> >
>> > - Bernd
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Gabriel A. Couriel [mailto:gcouriel@bellsouth.net]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:55 PM
>> > To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
>> > Subject: RE: DML: Daimler confims talks to dump Chrysler
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ummm... yeah, it is. one of the local dodge dealerships over here
>> > bought
>> > their neighbor (Mazda/Jeep/Chrysler). they closed the Mazda side down
>> > in
>> > about a month and a half.
>> >
>> > Gabriel A. Couriel
>> >
>> > 2006 DML Fantasy Football Champion
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
>> > [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net]On Behalf Of WiLieR[SS]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:51 PM
>> > To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
>> > Subject: Re: DML: Daimler confims talks to dump Chrysler
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Let's thicken it even more. A local dodge dealership just closed
>> > overnight with no announcements and now all their inventory, both new
>> > and used is sitting in the toyota dealer lot. Coincidence? Hmmmmmmm
>> >
>> > WiLieR
>> >
>> > - Original message -
>> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17944679/ <snip> BERLIN - DaimlerChrysler
>> > AG is confident a turnaround program at its Chrysler unit will return
>> > the beleaguered American brand to profitability, but Chairman Dieter
>> > Zetsche said Wednesday the automaker is in talks with unidentified
>> > potential buyers.
>> > <snip> The plot thickens....
>> >
>> > On 4/4/07, msnbcnnbcbs@hotmail.com <msnbcnnbcbs@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17944679/
>> >>
>> >> <snip>
>> >> BERLIN - DaimlerChrysler AG is confident a turnaround program at its
>> >> Chrysler
>> >> unit will return the beleaguered American brand to profitability, but
>> >> Chairman
>> >> Dieter Zetsche said Wednesday the automaker is in talks with
>> >> unidentified
>> >> potential buyers.
>> >>
>> >> "As announced on Feb. 14, we are open to all options for future
>> >> collaboration
>> >> with Chrysler," he told some 9,000 shareholders crammed inside
>> >> Berlin's
>> >> exhibition center. "The statement is still true today."
>> >>
>> >> He said that the talks have been with "potential partners who have
>> >> shown
>> >> a
>> >> clear interest" and "so far, I am satisfied with the process.
>> >> Everything
>> > is
>> >> going according to plan."
>> >> Story continues below ↓advertisement
>> >>
>> >> He would not elaborate on who was involved in the talks.
>> >>
>> >> Zetsche stunned the automotive world on Feb. 14 when he said that
>> > continued
>> >> losses and fierce competition in the United States meant that the
>> >> German-American automaker was considering all options for its Chrysler
>> > unit,
>> >> and did not rule out a possible sale, saying only that all options
>> >> were
>> >> being
>> >> considered.
>> >> <snip>
>> >>
>> >> The plot thickens....
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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