Interesting that this discussion comes up on the verge of Congress
debating the Big AgriBusiness Welfare bill...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net] On Behalf Of
> Rick Barnes
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 6:48 PM
> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
> Subject: RE: DML: RE: When did the 4.7 V8 be able to handle E-85??????
>
>
> I only pooh pooh it cause it is a scam...subsidies for corn
> farmers. Big oil is not in cahoots with E85. Please explain
> how the Middle East wants
> E85 out there...sheeshhh
>
> Rascal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net] On Behalf Of Miles D.
> Oliver
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:45 PM
> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
> Subject: Re: DML: RE: When did the 4.7 V8 be able to handle E-85??????
>
>
>
> BIg Oil is in cahoots with the E85 producers which is why
> E85 isnt cost effective now as all the ethanol is used as an
> additive and nowhere near as much is available for E85, which
> is part of the reason behind the cost being up there with gasoline.
>
> You also make a tradeoff with a flex fuel vehicle, You lose
> mileage because the vehicle isn't optimal for E85. I know of
> some documented vehicles that get the same mileage running
> E85 only due to the increased compression ratios and modified
> fuel delivery. The tradeoff is that they can't run regular
> gas and suffer from the cold starting in the winter.
>
> A true 'flex fuel' vehicle would have some concept of
> running a different compression ratio for E85 and a lower one
> for gas due to some mechanism of variable valve timing to
> reduce the compression ratio when running gas.
> We're not there yet.
>
> If E85 was $.40 cheaper per gallon like it was when MTBE
> was used instead of ethanol for gas enrichment, it was cost
> effective to run it with lower mileage. Big Oil caught on
> and worked out deals with ethanol producers to keep prices
> comprable so it isn't worth trying to run it.
>
> Don't POO-POO E85 just because the vehicle isn't capable of
> optimally running it. Its a good concept but when you have to
> be able to run gas through the motor as well the there are tradeoffs.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Barry Oliver wrote:
>
> >
> > Ok, forget the obvious question of why. "IF" you wanted to
> be able to
> > run
>
> > e85 what is required? Is it possible to retrofit older vehicles
> > somehow
> to
> > run it? I am thinking in terms of my old deuce and a half
> that would
> > run
> on
> > damn near anything that burned.. How about a motorcycle
> [or any motor,
> even
> > a lawnmower or a generator]? Is it possible? Is it even remotely
> practical?
> >
> >
> > Bernd D. Ratsch wrote:
> >> Hey now, it keeps me busy at work when people bring in
> their vehicles
> with
> >> a
> >> P0300 (Multiple Cylinder Misfire) and we find E85 in the fuel. Ya
> >> can't run the stuff in a vehicle not designed for it.
> >> - Bernd
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rick Barnes [mailto:rascal@scrtc.com] Sent: Tuesday,
> July 24,
> >> 2007
> >> 8:59 PM
> >> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
> >> Subject: RE: DML: RE: When did the 4.7 V8 be able to
> handle E-85??????
> >>
> >>
> >> E-85, what a joke...
> >>
> >> Rascal
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
> >> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net] On Behalf Of Steve
> Preston
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:44 PM
> >> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
> >> Subject: Re: DML: RE: When did the 4.7 V8 be able to
> handle E-85??????
> >>
> >>
> >> I agree. The yield is too low to ever be worthwhile.
> >> Couple that with the performance and economy loss,and we have a
> >> loser! At least for right now. Bring on the hydrogen.
> >>
> >> Steve P.
> >> --- andylevy@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Corn-based Ethanol is a scam anyway. I don't even like
> using E10, it
> >>> wrecks my fuel mileage. Sucked being in CT and MA all last week,
> >>> seemed like it was E10 everywhere.
> >>>
> >>> In article
> >>> <385551.64352.qm@web56312.mail.re3.yahoo.com>,
> >>> dodgedakotaquadcab@yahoo.com ("\"Digger\"") writes:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Bernd...i didnt think so.Some chevy nut told me i could.
> >>>>
> >>>> I said i'll ask the expert
> >>>>
> >>>> (thats you dude)
> >>>> --- "Bernd D. Ratsch" <bernd@dodgetrucks.org>
> >>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> NO...Don't use it - you'll do more harm than
> >>>
> >>> good.
> >>>>> The Engine and PCM
> >>>>> aren't designed for it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Bernd
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: "Digger"
> >>>
> >>> [mailto:dodgedakotaquadcab@yahoo.com]
> >>>
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 10:41 PM
> >>>>> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
> >>>>> Subject: DML: When did the 4.7 V8 be able to
> >>>
> >>> handle
> >>>
> >>>>> E-85??????
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I dont believe my 00' can take it....
> >>>>>
> >>>>> David & Judy Digney Madison,Wisconsin 00'
> Dakota Quad
> >>>>> Cab 4x4 "Blue Thunder"
> >>>>> 4.7 V8, 45RFE,3.55 LSD
> >>>>> Intense Blue/Driftwood Satin
> >>>>> David Digney (Digger) Madison,Wi 00' Dakota Quad Cab 4x4
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
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