I only pooh pooh it cause it is a scam...subsidies for corn farmers. Big
oil is not in cahoots with E85. Please explain how the Middle East wants
E85 out there...sheeshhh
Rascal
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
[mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net] On Behalf Of Miles D.
Oliver
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:45 PM
To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
Subject: Re: DML: RE: When did the 4.7 V8 be able to handle E-85??????
BIg Oil is in cahoots with the E85 producers which is why E85 isnt cost
effective now as all the ethanol is used as an additive and nowhere near
as much is available for E85, which is part of the reason behind the cost
being up there with gasoline.
You also make a tradeoff with a flex fuel vehicle, You lose mileage
because the vehicle isn't optimal for E85. I know of some documented
vehicles that get the same mileage running E85 only due to the increased
compression ratios and modified fuel delivery. The tradeoff is
that they can't run regular gas and suffer from the cold starting in the
winter.
A true 'flex fuel' vehicle would have some concept of running a different
compression ratio for E85 and a lower one for gas due to some mechanism of
variable valve timing to reduce the compression ratio when running gas.
We're not there yet.
If E85 was $.40 cheaper per gallon like it was when MTBE was used
instead of ethanol for gas enrichment, it was cost effective to
run it with lower mileage. Big Oil caught on and worked out deals with
ethanol producers to keep prices comprable so it isn't worth trying to run
it.
Don't POO-POO E85 just because the vehicle isn't capable of optimally
running it. Its a good concept but when you have to be able to run gas
through the motor as well the there are tradeoffs.
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Barry Oliver wrote:
>
> Ok, forget the obvious question of why. "IF" you wanted to be able to run
> e85 what is required? Is it possible to retrofit older vehicles somehow
to
> run it? I am thinking in terms of my old deuce and a half that would run
on
> damn near anything that burned.. How about a motorcycle [or any motor,
even
> a lawnmower or a generator]? Is it possible? Is it even remotely
practical?
>
>
> Bernd D. Ratsch wrote:
>> Hey now, it keeps me busy at work when people bring in their vehicles
with
>> a
>> P0300 (Multiple Cylinder Misfire) and we find E85 in the fuel. Ya can't
>> run
>> the stuff in a vehicle not designed for it.
>> - Bernd
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rick Barnes [mailto:rascal@scrtc.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007
>> 8:59 PM
>> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
>> Subject: RE: DML: RE: When did the 4.7 V8 be able to handle E-85??????
>>
>>
>> E-85, what a joke...
>>
>> Rascal
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
>> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net] On Behalf Of Steve
Preston
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:44 PM
>> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
>> Subject: Re: DML: RE: When did the 4.7 V8 be able to handle E-85??????
>>
>>
>> I agree. The yield is too low to ever be worthwhile.
>> Couple that with the performance and economy loss,and
>> we have a loser! At least for right now. Bring on the
>> hydrogen.
>>
>> Steve P.
>> --- andylevy@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Corn-based Ethanol is a scam anyway. I don't even
>>> like using E10, it wrecks my
>>> fuel mileage. Sucked being in CT and MA all last
>>> week, seemed like it was E10
>>> everywhere.
>>>
>>> In article
>>> <385551.64352.qm@web56312.mail.re3.yahoo.com>,
>>> dodgedakotaquadcab@yahoo.com ("\"Digger\"") writes:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bernd...i didnt think so.Some chevy nut told me i
>>>> could.
>>>>
>>>> I said i'll ask the expert
>>>>
>>>> (thats you dude)
>>>> --- "Bernd D. Ratsch" <bernd@dodgetrucks.org>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> NO...Don't use it - you'll do more harm than
>>>
>>> good.
>>>>> The Engine and PCM
>>>>> aren't designed for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Bernd
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: "Digger"
>>>
>>> [mailto:dodgedakotaquadcab@yahoo.com]
>>>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 10:41 PM
>>>>> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
>>>>> Subject: DML: When did the 4.7 V8 be able to
>>>
>>> handle
>>>
>>>>> E-85??????
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I dont believe my 00' can take it....
>>>>>
>>>>> David & Judy Digney Madison,Wisconsin
>>>>> 00' Dakota Quad Cab 4x4 "Blue Thunder"
>>>>> 4.7 V8, 45RFE,3.55 LSD
>>>>> Intense Blue/Driftwood Satin
>>>>> David Digney (Digger) Madison,Wi 00' Dakota Quad Cab 4x4
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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