On Feb 9, 2008 10:49 AM, Bernd D. Ratsch <bernd@dodgetrucks.org> wrote:
>
> I'd stick with Clinton...main reason: 1 week out of every month, NOBODY
> would mess with us (ever seen a President PMS'ing?) ;)
You *do* know she's pushing 60, right?
Clinton will be more of the same we've had for the last 8 years. And
she has done NOTHING positive for her NY constituents (maybe NYC, I
dunno - I find it more than a little unfair that both our Senators
represent downstate interests almost exclusively), nevermind the fact
that she is only an NY senator because the opportunistic ***** hopped
into a mid-term vacant seat.
I don't know a single woman who supports her & wants her to be
President; nor any men.
> - Bernd
> (Give me a politician that doesn't lie or promise things that they actually
> can do, and I'll vote for them)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Byrne [mailto:kerib@ptd.net]
> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:35 AM
> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
>
> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
>
>
> I fall right of McCain, but no further right than Giuliani (we come from the
> boroughs of NYC where people are socially liberal and fiscally
> conservative). I think both Romney and Obama are good men who are being
> demonized for religious reasons. This is an 18th century tradition which
> should be eliminated.
>
> I am actually happy that McCain is going to win the nomination. I may nit
> agree with everything he says, but he takes a stand and has courage.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Preston" <steveophonic@yahoo.com>
> To: <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
>
>
> >
> > Hey now! I'm so far right of center,I have to wear fifty lbs. of wheel
> > weights on my left hip pocket just so I can walk a straight line! Ann
> > Coulter is the fourth member of the Trinity,I feel. :)
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Steve P.
> > --- Tom Byrne <kerib@ptd.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Though Jon may be right of center, he is not entirely incorrect. The
> >> government SHOULD let markets function and set prices and wages. Tim,
> >> you bash 18th century ideals. There was a great article this week in
> >> the Wall Street Journal as to why the far left shuns history.
> >> The author has his own
> >> ideas and I will let the reader decide if he is right, but I do see
> >> the left deride history as either irrelevant or dangerous.
> >>
> >> Tell me, why is 18th century precedent worse than 20th century
> >> precedent. I would argue that the libertine society set forth by our
> >> founding fathers in the 18th century was much better than Marxism
> >> developed in the 19th Century or extreme Soviet-style socialism of
> >> the 20th century. Newer ideas are not always better ideas.
> >>
> >> New products, services and governments fail all the time, yet some
> >> age-old ideas still hold true today. Thomas Jefferson (a Federalist
> >> mind you) said it best: "That government is best which governs the
> >> least, because its people discipline themselves."
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Pindell, Tim P" <TPindell@otterbein.edu>
> >> To: <dml@dakota-truck.net>
> >> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:05 PM
> >> Subject: RE: DML: Made in China
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I think we're finally getting to the meat of this
> >> issue.
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
> >> >> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net]
> >> On Behalf Of
> >> >> jon@dakota-truck.net
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:18 PM
> >> >> To: dakota-truck-moderator@bent.twistedbits.net
> >> >> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Pindell, Tim P" <TPindell@otterbein.edu> wrote:
> >> >> >"Jon Steiger" <jon@dakota-truck.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> "We" shouldn't do anything about them. It
> >> is not the
> >> >> government's
> >> >> >> role to create jobs, its only roles are to
> >> provide
> >> >> national defense,
> >> >> >> mete out justice according to proscribed law,
> >> and enforce the
> >> >> >> contractual obligations of its citizens.
> >> Anything not
> >> >> covered by the
> >> >> >> previous sentence is an item that government
> >> should not be
> >> >> involved
> >> >> >> with in any way. Government's "role", (if you
> >> want to
> >> >> call it that),
> >> >> >> in regards to finding new jobs for displaced
> >> workers is merely to
> >> >> >> stay out of the way and let the market work.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Someone is in for a big disappointment. Keep
> >> tilting at those
> >> >> > windmills, Jon. You still might be able to
> >> vote "Ron Paul".
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm already dissapointed. The system is
> >> *already* broken.
> >> >> The principles I referenced are how the
> >> government was
> >> >> originally designed to work and how it *should*
> >> be working.
> >> >> I am under no illusion that these fundamental
> >> principles are
> >> >> given even the slightest thought by most in
> >> government today.
> >> >> I am optimistic that there are opportunities to
> >> turn back
> >> >> the clock on many of the abuses of the past
> >> >> 230+ years and move closer to those ideals, but
> >> we are so far gone
> >> >> that I fear a complete return would probably
> >> require another
> >> >> massive catalyst such as a catastrophe and/or
> >> another War for
> >> >> Independence.
> >> >
> >> > You wish for the impossible, and I sincerely feel
> >> badly about that. I
> >> > can't help you. We can't go back. We've evolved
> >> and learned new things
> >> > since then. I have no easy, comforting answer for
> >> you. We didn't stop
> >> > learning or thinking when those original
> >> experimental principles were
> >> > drawn up. It must be a horrible existence, every
> >> day, to see your world
> >> > irrevocably, inevitably torn apart around you and
> >> you can do nothing to
> >> > stop it.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Its no surprise to me that your response was
> >> more of the
> >> >> same - sarcasm and attemtped denigration rather
> >> than real
> >> >> content or ideas.
> >> >
> >> > How do you expect me to react!? You're a
> >> political anachronism! You ask
> >> > for the same thing *every single time* and you
> >> *know* that its not
> >> > possible. I simply can't take it any longer.
> >> Somebody had to call
> >> > shenanigans. You seem to desire a return to some
> >> innocent time with a
> >> > pure and idealistic revolution in easy black and
> >> white. You're an
> >> > intelligent *grown man* yet you continue to
> >> believe in this romantic
> >> > notion of a centuries-old ideological purity that
> >> likely never existed.
> >> > That saddens me because you're smart enough to
> >> know that the world is
> >> > probably much more complicated than an 18th
> >> century political
> >> > philosopher ever thought it could be. We can do
> >> things he couldn't
> >> > possibly have imagined! But that doesn't mean that
> >> some of the things
> >> > we've learned from him aren't worth keeping or
> >> that we can't learn and
> >> > add to our understanding as time moves on. It was
> >> not my original intent
> >> > to get your thong in a bunch. (Later it was, and
> >> I'm sorry about that.)
> >> > Up until this post, I actually didn't believe that
> >> you were this
> >> > extreme. Nor was I fully aware of the sincerity
> >> with which you held
> >> > these extreme ideas. I really should have left
> >> you alone.
> >> >
> >> >> The fact that you would think I will someday be
> >> dissapointed
> >> >> to discover that our government doesn't proscribe
> >> to its
> >> >> founding ideals is illustrative of the regard you
> >> hold for my
> >> >> grasp of any of these issues and confirms that I
> >> have been
> >> >> wasting my time with you.
> >> >
> >> > I respect you as an individual human being, but
> >> you're right. My regard
> >> > for your brand of olde-tyme rigid political views
> >> has been in decline
> >> > for a few years now. The willing denial of the
> >> present for an impossible
> >> > return to the past, the bleak denial
> >> of...humanity, the cold, easy,
> >> > life-isn't-fair disregard of the other... It
> >> appears that your own
> >> > humanity isn't worthy of respect to you either.
> >> >
> >> >> I suppose I knew it all along, but my optimism for a person's
> >> >> desire to search for
> >> the truth, or
> >> >> at the very least to remain open to the
> >> possibility of other
> >> >> ideas tends to cloud my judgement sometimes.
> >> >
> >> > This is part of the problem, Jon. It's not always
> >> about *you* or your
> >> > perception of your own intellectual and moral
> >> superiority. That's what
> >> > clouds judgment; hubris. There are several topics
> >> about which I am
> >> > old-school conservative/libertarian, however, all
> >> we seem to discuss
> >> > here is economics and labour, and about that, I am
> >> unabashedly left of
> >> > center. Remember, your truth isn't the only truth.
> >> Not all truths are
> >> > "conservative", Jon, but many are. Sometimes there
> >> is
> > === message truncated ===
> >
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