McCain will have an easier time beating her than Obama. All McCain needs to
do is to pick a conservative VP and he will win both the middle and the
right. Most of the country is in the center to, may, slightly right, McCain
wins. The Dems should have rolled given Bush's historically-low approval
ratings, but the Democratic Congress has earned even lower approval ratings
than Bush. One has to try very hard to earn lower approval ratings than
Bush, but Congress accomplished the task.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Levy" <andy.levy@gmail.com>
To: <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
>
> On Feb 9, 2008 10:49 AM, Bernd D. Ratsch <bernd@dodgetrucks.org> wrote:
>>
>> I'd stick with Clinton...main reason: 1 week out of every month, NOBODY
>> would mess with us (ever seen a President PMS'ing?) ;)
>
> You *do* know she's pushing 60, right?
>
> Clinton will be more of the same we've had for the last 8 years. And
> she has done NOTHING positive for her NY constituents (maybe NYC, I
> dunno - I find it more than a little unfair that both our Senators
> represent downstate interests almost exclusively), nevermind the fact
> that she is only an NY senator because the opportunistic ***** hopped
> into a mid-term vacant seat.
>
> I don't know a single woman who supports her & wants her to be
> President; nor any men.
>
>> - Bernd
>> (Give me a politician that doesn't lie or promise things that they
>> actually
>> can do, and I'll vote for them)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tom Byrne [mailto:kerib@ptd.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:35 AM
>> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
>>
>> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
>>
>>
>> I fall right of McCain, but no further right than Giuliani (we come from
>> the
>> boroughs of NYC where people are socially liberal and fiscally
>> conservative). I think both Romney and Obama are good men who are being
>> demonized for religious reasons. This is an 18th century tradition which
>> should be eliminated.
>>
>> I am actually happy that McCain is going to win the nomination. I may nit
>> agree with everything he says, but he takes a stand and has courage.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Preston" <steveophonic@yahoo.com>
>> To: <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
>> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 7:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Hey now! I'm so far right of center,I have to wear fifty lbs. of wheel
>> > weights on my left hip pocket just so I can walk a straight line! Ann
>> > Coulter is the fourth member of the Trinity,I feel. :)
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > Steve P.
>> > --- Tom Byrne <kerib@ptd.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Though Jon may be right of center, he is not entirely incorrect. The
>> >> government SHOULD let markets function and set prices and wages. Tim,
>> >> you bash 18th century ideals. There was a great article this week in
>> >> the Wall Street Journal as to why the far left shuns history.
>> >> The author has his own
>> >> ideas and I will let the reader decide if he is right, but I do see
>> >> the left deride history as either irrelevant or dangerous.
>> >>
>> >> Tell me, why is 18th century precedent worse than 20th century
>> >> precedent. I would argue that the libertine society set forth by our
>> >> founding fathers in the 18th century was much better than Marxism
>> >> developed in the 19th Century or extreme Soviet-style socialism of
>> >> the 20th century. Newer ideas are not always better ideas.
>> >>
>> >> New products, services and governments fail all the time, yet some
>> >> age-old ideas still hold true today. Thomas Jefferson (a Federalist
>> >> mind you) said it best: "That government is best which governs the
>> >> least, because its people discipline themselves."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Pindell, Tim P" <TPindell@otterbein.edu>
>> >> To: <dml@dakota-truck.net>
>> >> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:05 PM
>> >> Subject: RE: DML: Made in China
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I think we're finally getting to the meat of this
>> >> issue.
>> >> >
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
>> >> >> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net]
>> >> On Behalf Of
>> >> >> jon@dakota-truck.net
>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:18 PM
>> >> >> To: dakota-truck-moderator@bent.twistedbits.net
>> >> >> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Pindell, Tim P" <TPindell@otterbein.edu> wrote:
>> >> >> >"Jon Steiger" <jon@dakota-truck.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> "We" shouldn't do anything about them. It
>> >> is not the
>> >> >> government's
>> >> >> >> role to create jobs, its only roles are to
>> >> provide
>> >> >> national defense,
>> >> >> >> mete out justice according to proscribed law,
>> >> and enforce the
>> >> >> >> contractual obligations of its citizens.
>> >> Anything not
>> >> >> covered by the
>> >> >> >> previous sentence is an item that government
>> >> should not be
>> >> >> involved
>> >> >> >> with in any way. Government's "role", (if you
>> >> want to
>> >> >> call it that),
>> >> >> >> in regards to finding new jobs for displaced
>> >> workers is merely to
>> >> >> >> stay out of the way and let the market work.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Someone is in for a big disappointment. Keep
>> >> tilting at those
>> >> >> > windmills, Jon. You still might be able to
>> >> vote "Ron Paul".
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm already dissapointed. The system is
>> >> *already* broken.
>> >> >> The principles I referenced are how the
>> >> government was
>> >> >> originally designed to work and how it *should*
>> >> be working.
>> >> >> I am under no illusion that these fundamental
>> >> principles are
>> >> >> given even the slightest thought by most in
>> >> government today.
>> >> >> I am optimistic that there are opportunities to
>> >> turn back
>> >> >> the clock on many of the abuses of the past
>> >> >> 230+ years and move closer to those ideals, but
>> >> we are so far gone
>> >> >> that I fear a complete return would probably
>> >> require another
>> >> >> massive catalyst such as a catastrophe and/or
>> >> another War for
>> >> >> Independence.
>> >> >
>> >> > You wish for the impossible, and I sincerely feel
>> >> badly about that. I
>> >> > can't help you. We can't go back. We've evolved
>> >> and learned new things
>> >> > since then. I have no easy, comforting answer for
>> >> you. We didn't stop
>> >> > learning or thinking when those original
>> >> experimental principles were
>> >> > drawn up. It must be a horrible existence, every
>> >> day, to see your world
>> >> > irrevocably, inevitably torn apart around you and
>> >> you can do nothing to
>> >> > stop it.
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Its no surprise to me that your response was
>> >> more of the
>> >> >> same - sarcasm and attemtped denigration rather
>> >> than real
>> >> >> content or ideas.
>> >> >
>> >> > How do you expect me to react!? You're a
>> >> political anachronism! You ask
>> >> > for the same thing *every single time* and you
>> >> *know* that its not
>> >> > possible. I simply can't take it any longer.
>> >> Somebody had to call
>> >> > shenanigans. You seem to desire a return to some
>> >> innocent time with a
>> >> > pure and idealistic revolution in easy black and
>> >> white. You're an
>> >> > intelligent *grown man* yet you continue to
>> >> believe in this romantic
>> >> > notion of a centuries-old ideological purity that
>> >> likely never existed.
>> >> > That saddens me because you're smart enough to
>> >> know that the world is
>> >> > probably much more complicated than an 18th
>> >> century political
>> >> > philosopher ever thought it could be. We can do
>> >> things he couldn't
>> >> > possibly have imagined! But that doesn't mean that
>> >> some of the things
>> >> > we've learned from him aren't worth keeping or
>> >> that we can't learn and
>> >> > add to our understanding as time moves on. It was
>> >> not my original intent
>> >> > to get your thong in a bunch. (Later it was, and
>> >> I'm sorry about that.)
>> >> > Up until this post, I actually didn't believe that
>> >> you were this
>> >> > extreme. Nor was I fully aware of the sincerity
>> >> with which you held
>> >> > these extreme ideas. I really should have left
>> >> you alone.
>> >> >
>> >> >> The fact that you would think I will someday be
>> >> dissapointed
>> >> >> to discover that our government doesn't proscribe
>> >> to its
>> >> >> founding ideals is illustrative of the regard you
>> >> hold for my
>> >> >> grasp of any of these issues and confirms that I
>> >> have been
>> >> >> wasting my time with you.
>> >> >
>> >> > I respect you as an individual human being, but
>> >> you're right. My regard
>> >> > for your brand of olde-tyme rigid political views
>> >> has been in decline
>> >> > for a few years now. The willing denial of the
>> >> present for an impossible
>> >> > return to the past, the bleak denial
>> >> of...humanity, the cold, easy,
>> >> > life-isn't-fair disregard of the other... It
>> >> appears that your own
>> >> > humanity isn't worthy of respect to you either.
>> >> >
>> >> >> I suppose I knew it all along, but my optimism for a person's
>> >> >> desire to search for
>> >> the truth, or
>> >> >> at the very least to remain open to the
>> >> possibility of other
>> >> >> ideas tends to cloud my judgement sometimes.
>> >> >
>> >> > This is part of the problem, Jon. It's not always
>> >> about *you* or your
>> >> > perception of your own intellectual and moral
>> >> superiority. That's what
>> >> > clouds judgment; hubris. There are several topics
>> >> about which I am
>> >> > old-school conservative/libertarian, however, all
>> >> we seem to discuss
>> >> > here is economics and labour, and about that, I am
>> >> unabashedly left of
>> >> > center. Remember, your truth isn't the only truth.
>> >> Not all truths are
>> >> > "conservative", Jon, but many are. Sometimes there
>> >> is
>> > === message truncated ===
>> >
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