I agree to a point,but I have to disagree with you on
social conservatism. I don't think that government
should necessarily decide what's morally
acceptable,but the churches in this country are not
doing their job,and where we're at right now,some
entity or group of people has to make a stand. The
church is supposed to teach individuals how to
restrain themselves and not give in to every whim,and
they are also primarily responsible for feeding the
poor and hungry. Well,today's church on the Left is
more concerned about racial equality and installing
gays in prominent positions than preaching the
gospel,and the church on the Right is all about...well
several things not related to the gospel:
Self-fulfillment,building wealth,put the right guy in
office so sin goes away,etc. If they would just preach
the gospel,people would change from the inside and the
results most everyone wants would begin to occur from
people being "better",and making better decisions.
Things like corruption and greed are spiritual in
nature,and not unique to either party.
ANYWAY,about social conservatism. Basically,it's a
movement to try to slow or stop culural rot,which IS
happening. You can't look at all of the other
civilizations that have come (and fallen) before us
and not see parallels. Whether it's regarding trying
to stop "educators" from teaching kindergarteners
about anal sex,or trying to get the valid point across
that sucking the brains out of a baby while in the
birth canal is not what a civilized society
embraces,it's really hard to put forth the point that
social conservatism has no place in today's world,or
especially that it's dangerous. Again,unless you're
willing to overlook what has already happened to prior
cultures that went where modern liberalism wants to
take us,then you can't say that social conservatism is
evil or wrong. Is it government's job to keep it's
people moral? No! But now we're getting back to the
failings of much of modern Christianity. It creates a
void that is always filled with something. INDIRECTLY
social conservatism,comprised of a large number of
Christians,is going about trying to affect people and
society for good,not evil. But it is definitely not
doing it in the best way. It is like a doctor treating
the symptom and not the root cause of the
illness,which would be addressed by the Gospel.
Steve P.
--- Tom Byrne <kerib@ptd.net> wrote:
>
> I agree with him that there should have been
> spending cuts. I do not agree
> that the tax cuts were just for the rich. Unless you
> believe as some
> leftists do that everyone making $70k or more is
> rich. I believe he did not
> vote for the cuts for both reasons. One which I
> agree and one I do not.
>
> Romney is a walking contradiction and in some ways
> more liberal. Look as
> Mass. healthcare. Bush II is a religious guy, he is
> probably a principled
> guy. He is strong on national defense, but he a too
> much of a spender and a
> goldfish is a better communicator. You know what?
> Bush I said no new taxes
> then raised taxes (bad move). However, in 1992, I
> still supported him
> because I believe he was the best man for the job of
> those running.
>
> My real pick this year Giuliani. Giuliani is
> pro-choice. I am pro-life. I
> would still vote for him because I believed him to
> be the most capable.
> Anyone who votes based on one, even two issues, is
> missing the big picture
> and, to me, quite frightening.
>
> Who else wee we going to vote for this year, Fred
> Thompson? I like the guy
> and he is a great speaker, but he was clueless when
> interviewed. Who else,
> Ron Paul? How about Huckabee? Here we have another
> Bush. A social
> conservative and a fiscal liberal. the worst of both
> worlds. He is worse
> than a social conservative. He is a social zealot.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Barnes" <rascal@scrtc.com>
> To: <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:34 AM
> Subject: RE: DML: Made in China
>
>
> >
> > He is a liar. He said he voted against the tax
> cuts because there were
> > not
> > spending cuts, yet back when the tax cuts were
> passed, he said he did not
> > want tax cuts for the rich. That is just one of
> his many lies.
> > Disagreeing
> > is one thing, he is simply a liar and
> conservatives will not vote for him.
> >
> > Rascal
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
> > [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net]
> On Behalf Of Tom Byrne
> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:28 PM
> > To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
> > Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
> >
> >
> > Not a liar, he just disagrees with the automatons.
> I like that.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rick Barnes" <rascal@scrtc.com>
> > To: <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:43 PM
> > Subject: RE: DML: Made in China
> >
> >
> >>
> >> He is a liar, no honor in that.
> >>
> >> Rascal
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
> >> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net]
> On Behalf Of Tom Byrne
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:38 PM
> >> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
> >> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
> >>
> >>
> >> The man is more honorable than anyone running
> this time around.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Rick Barnes" <rascal@scrtc.com>
> >> To: <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:05 PM
> >> Subject: RE: DML: Made in China
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Well I am generally conservative, but will be
> voting Libertarian once
> >>> again.
> >>> Would not ever vote for McCain, that lying
> bastard.
> >>>
> >>> Rascal
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
> >>> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net]
> On Behalf Of
> >>> jon@dakota-truck.net
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 5:47 PM
> >>> To: dakota-truck-moderator@bent.twistedbits.net
> >>> Subject: Re: DML: Made in China
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Tom Byrne" <kerib@ptd.net> wrote:
> >>>> McCain will have an easier time beating her
> than Obama. All McCain
> >>>> needs
> >>> to
> >>>> do is to pick a conservative VP and he will win
> both the middle and the
> >>>> right. Most of the country is in the center to,
> may, slightly right,
> >>> McCain
> >>>> wins. The Dems should have rolled given Bush's
> historically-low
> >>>> approval
> >>>> ratings, but the Democratic Congress has earned
> even lower approval
> >>> ratings
> >>>> than Bush. One has to try very hard to earn
> lower approval ratings than
> >>>> Bush, but Congress accomplished the task.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I am hearing a lot of talk from conservatives
> who basically plan to
> >>> sit this one out rather than vote for McCain.
> The usual theory which
> >>> is advanced is that if the country is going to
> go to the crapper, why
> >>> not let the Democrat party get the credit? (The
> reasons given for
> >>> this opposition is if you look at his history
> and policies, McCain is
> >>> extremely liberal and even his so called
> strength of national security
> >>> is an illusion when you start looking into it
> and seeing how he has
> >>> handled illegal immigration and his desire to
> treat enemy combatants
> >>> as criminals and handle them via the court
> system rather than the
> >>> military.)
> >>>
> >>> As much as I would not want to see the country
> take a step
> >>> backwards, I can't say that I disagree with this
> theory. Its a lot
> >>> easier for a conservative congress to fight
> against a liberal
> >>> president when that president is in the other
> party. (compare the
> >>> relative success of Newt and the '94 congress
> against Clinton for
> >>> example, as opposed to that same basic congress
> with Bush - who is not
> >>> a conservative - at the helm.) Its a shame, but
> party lines seem to
> >>> override principles.
> >>>
> >>> As far as advancing conservatism goes, I think
> a conservative
> >>> Republican congress with a liberal Democrat
> president would fare
> >>> better than that same conservative Republican
> congress and a liberal
> >>> Republican president, even if that Republican
> congress happens to be
> >>> in the minority.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> -Jon-
> >>>
> >>> .- Jon Steiger -- jon@dakota-truck.net or
> jon@jonsteiger.com -.
> >>> | '96 Kolb Firefly, '96 Suzuki Intruder,
> Miscellaneous Mopars |
> >>> `--------------------------------
> http://www.jonsteiger.com --'
> >>>
>
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