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> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 00:15:20 -0500
> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
> To: dakota-truck-digest@twistedbits.net
> Subject: DML Digest V5 #4217
>
>
> DML Digest Monday, December 13 2010 Volume 05 : Number 4217
>
>
>
> The subjects discussed in this digest are:
> ==========
> Re: DML: Electrical Problem / Jon?
> Re: DML: Electrical Problem / Jon?
> Re: DML: Electrical Problem / Jon?
> DML: Won't start after Wiring mod
> Re: DML: Electrical Problem / Jon?
> RE: DML: Won't start after Wiring mod
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 09:21:03 -0600
> From: John Dunlap <jsdunlap@roadkill.org>
> Subject: Re: DML: Electrical Problem / Jon?
>
> well, just a start....maybe keep + disconnected from fuse box, remove fuse
> panel as best ya can and look at
> bottom side to see if anything has melted or 'fused' together, if so replace
> panel...then you could backtrack and find out whats causing extra trbl.
> That's where I would start....but that's just me.
> I would especially look to see if one of the new connections might actually
> go to ground but is tagged backwards.
>
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:41 PM, BOBBY <bocd@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hey Guys...
> >
> > I have an electrical problem
> >
> > I was doing some wiring of a new underhood fuse block with a coule relays
> > for my elec fan and inverter...
> >
> > Everything was fine and when I went back to turn the key to on to check my
> > fan operation....everything was dead. I looked at my under hood large fuses
> > and found the 40 AMP ING SW (number 7) to be blown. I replaced it and I
> > believe it blew again. I then moved 40 AMP ING SW STARTER (number 8) to the
> > number 7 spot on still no start. I believe you need both of those fuses to
> > start.
> >
> > The very odd thing is ........Now with number 7, 8 & 9 (ABS PUMP) out, I
> > turned my ignition switch to the on position and on the way back to off the
> > horn beeped
> >
> > The switch was off and the horn continued to blow until I disconnected the
> > + wire that feeds the fuse box....... WTF
> >
> > Tomorrow I will replace all 3 fuses but what would cause the horn to blow
> > continuois???
> >
> > This did happen with my 10 amp battery charger hooked up charging my main
> > battery.
> >
> > I disconnected all my battery's in case of a short.....
> >
> > Anyone have any idea's..... Jon?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Bob
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:50:12 -0500 (EST)
> From: BOBBY <bocd@optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: DML: Electrical Problem / Jon?
>
> hey john ....
>
> thanks for the reply. i was absolutely shot last night. i have a head
> cold and when i'm sick my heads always f'd up.
>
> last night i noticed that when completing the ground circuit for the 2
> assy relays i installed... all of the relays in my main fuse panel would
> pull in and out. 1 relay was for my inverter and the other for the fan.
> when isolating the fan circut, the relays in the panel would stop. i
> also found that when resting my hand on the bare aluminum radiator edge
> and completing the fan circut i'd feel a slight shock from ground. (I
> have over 7000 cranking amps worth of batterys). i musta had a short in
> that ground wire.
>
> i could see the fuse blowing....but the horn really had me concerned. i
> thought a burnt my computer up.
>
> this morn i disconnected the trigger switch power taps from the in cab
> fuse panel and changed the blown fuses in the underhood panel this
> morning. Ran a new ground to the fan, retaped the cab fuse panel and
> it's all working fine now.
>
> thanks much for your time....
>
> Bob
>
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:21 AM, John Dunlap wrote:
>
> > well, just a start....maybe keep + disconnected from fuse box, remove
> > fuse
> > panel as best ya can and look at
> > bottom side to see if anything has melted or 'fused' together, if so
> > replace
> > panel...then you could backtrack and find out whats causing extra
> > trbl.
> > That's where I would start....but that's just me.
> > I would especially look to see if one of the new connections might
> > actually
> > go to ground but is tagged backwards.
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:41 PM, BOBBY <bocd@optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Hey Guys...
> >>
> >> I have an electrical problem
> >>
> >> I was doing some wiring of a new underhood fuse block with a coule
> >> relays
> >> for my elec fan and inverter...
> >>
> >> Everything was fine and when I went back to turn the key to on to
> >> check my
> >> fan operation....everything was dead. I looked at my under hood large
> >> fuses
> >> and found the 40 AMP ING SW (number 7) to be blown. I replaced it and
> >> I
> >> believe it blew again. I then moved 40 AMP ING SW STARTER (number 8)
> >> to the
> >> number 7 spot on still no start. I believe you need both of those
> >> fuses to
> >> start.
> >>
> >> The very odd thing is ........Now with number 7, 8 & 9 (ABS PUMP)
> >> out, I
> >> turned my ignition switch to the on position and on the way back to
> >> off the
> >> horn beeped
> >>
> >> The switch was off and the horn continued to blow until I
> >> disconnected the
> >> + wire that feeds the fuse box....... WTF
> >>
> >> Tomorrow I will replace all 3 fuses but what would cause the horn to
> >> blow
> >> continuois???
> >>
> >> This did happen with my 10 amp battery charger hooked up charging my
> >> main
> >> battery.
> >>
> >> I disconnected all my battery's in case of a short.....
> >>
> >> Anyone have any idea's..... Jon?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Bob
> >>
> >>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:07:55 -0600
> From: John Dunlap <jsdunlap@roadkill.org>
> Subject: Re: DML: Electrical Problem / Jon?
>
> congradulations, another job well done.....yeah, on the other thing, I think
> I used up about a half box of Puffs myself...
>
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:50 AM, BOBBY <bocd@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > hey john ....
> >
> > thanks for the reply. i was absolutely shot last night. i have a head cold
> > and when i'm sick my heads always f'd up.
> >
> > last night i noticed that when completing the ground circuit for the 2 assy
> > relays i installed... all of the relays in my main fuse panel would pull in
> > and out. 1 relay was for my inverter and the other for the fan. when
> > isolating the fan circut, the relays in the panel would stop. i also found
> > that when resting my hand on the bare aluminum radiator edge and completing
> > the fan circut i'd feel a slight shock from ground. (I have over 7000
> > cranking amps worth of batterys). i musta had a short in that ground wire.
> >
> > i could see the fuse blowing....but the horn really had me concerned. i
> > thought a burnt my computer up.
> >
> > this morn i disconnected the trigger switch power taps from the in cab fuse
> > panel and changed the blown fuses in the underhood panel this morning. Ran a
> > new ground to the fan, retaped the cab fuse panel and it's all working fine
> > now.
> >
> > thanks much for your time....
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:21 AM, John Dunlap wrote:
> >
> > well, just a start....maybe keep + disconnected from fuse box, remove fuse
> >> panel as best ya can and look at
> >> bottom side to see if anything has melted or 'fused' together, if so
> >> replace
> >> panel...then you could backtrack and find out whats causing extra trbl.
> >> That's where I would start....but that's just me.
> >> I would especially look to see if one of the new connections might
> >> actually
> >> go to ground but is tagged backwards.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:41 PM, BOBBY <bocd@optonline.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hey Guys...
> >>>
> >>> I have an electrical problem
> >>>
> >>> I was doing some wiring of a new underhood fuse block with a coule relays
> >>> for my elec fan and inverter...
> >>>
> >>> Everything was fine and when I went back to turn the key to on to check
> >>> my
> >>> fan operation....everything was dead. I looked at my under hood large
> >>> fuses
> >>> and found the 40 AMP ING SW (number 7) to be blown. I replaced it and I
> >>> believe it blew again. I then moved 40 AMP ING SW STARTER (number 8) to
> >>> the
> >>> number 7 spot on still no start. I believe you need both of those fuses
> >>> to
> >>> start.
> >>>
> >>> The very odd thing is ........Now with number 7, 8 & 9 (ABS PUMP) out, I
> >>> turned my ignition switch to the on position and on the way back to off
> >>> the
> >>> horn beeped
> >>>
> >>> The switch was off and the horn continued to blow until I disconnected
> >>> the
> >>> + wire that feeds the fuse box....... WTF
> >>>
> >>> Tomorrow I will replace all 3 fuses but what would cause the horn to blow
> >>> continuois???
> >>>
> >>> This did happen with my 10 amp battery charger hooked up charging my main
> >>> battery.
> >>>
> >>> I disconnected all my battery's in case of a short.....
> >>>
> >>> Anyone have any idea's..... Jon?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Bob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:23:51 -0600 (CST)
> From: maggie11@mchsi.com
> Subject: DML: Won't start after Wiring mod
>
> BOB writes:
>
> Hey Guys...
>
> I have an electrical problem
>
> I was doing some wiring of a new underhood fuse block with a coule
> relays for my elec fan and inverter...
>
> Everything was fine and when I went back to turn the key to on to check
> my fan operation....everything was dead. I looked at my under hood large
> fuses and found the 40 AMP ING SW (number 7) to be blown. I replaced it
> and I believe it blew again. I then moved 40 AMP ING SW STARTER (number
> 8) to the number 7 spot on still no start. I believe you need both of
> those fuses to start.
>
> The very odd thing is ........Now with number 7, 8 & 9 (ABS PUMP) out,
> I turned my ignition switch to the on position and on the way back to
> off the horn beeped
>
> The switch was off and the horn continued to blow until I disconnected
> the + wire that feeds the fuse box....... WTF
>
> Tomorrow I will replace all 3 fuses but what would cause the horn to
> blow continuois???
>
> This did happen with my 10 amp battery charger hooked up charging my
> main battery.
>
> I disconnected all my battery's in case of a short.....
>
> Anyone have any idea's..... Jon?
>
> Well I'm not Jon but the 1st thing I'd do is disconnect the additional
> wiring I just installed..Usually when we do modifications and encounter
> problems such as you're experiencing the problem lies within the confines
> of the mods we just completed.. If the problem still exist after undoing
> the mod, obviously there is another problem that you will just have to
> trace out..
> Good luck
> Azie
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 18:28:45 -0500 (EST)
> From: BOBBY <bocd@optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: DML: Electrical Problem / Jon?
>
> thanks o)
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 1:07 PM, John Dunlap wrote:
>
> > congradulations, another job well done.....yeah, on the other thing, I
> > think
> > I used up about a half box of Puffs myself...
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:50 AM, BOBBY <bocd@optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> hey john ....
> >>
> >> thanks for the reply. i was absolutely shot last night. i have a head
> >> cold
> >> and when i'm sick my heads always f'd up.
> >>
> >> last night i noticed that when completing the ground circuit for the
> >> 2 assy
> >> relays i installed... all of the relays in my main fuse panel would
> >> pull in
> >> and out. 1 relay was for my inverter and the other for the fan. when
> >> isolating the fan circut, the relays in the panel would stop. i also
> >> found
> >> that when resting my hand on the bare aluminum radiator edge and
> >> completing
> >> the fan circut i'd feel a slight shock from ground. (I have over 7000
> >> cranking amps worth of batterys). i musta had a short in that ground
> >> wire.
> >>
> >> i could see the fuse blowing....but the horn really had me concerned.
> >> i
> >> thought a burnt my computer up.
> >>
> >> this morn i disconnected the trigger switch power taps from the in
> >> cab fuse
> >> panel and changed the blown fuses in the underhood panel this
> >> morning. Ran a
> >> new ground to the fan, retaped the cab fuse panel and it's all
> >> working fine
> >> now.
> >>
> >> thanks much for your time....
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:21 AM, John Dunlap wrote:
> >>
> >> well, just a start....maybe keep + disconnected from fuse box, remove
> >> fuse
> >>> panel as best ya can and look at
> >>> bottom side to see if anything has melted or 'fused' together, if so
> >>> replace
> >>> panel...then you could backtrack and find out whats causing extra
> >>> trbl.
> >>> That's where I would start....but that's just me.
> >>> I would especially look to see if one of the new connections might
> >>> actually
> >>> go to ground but is tagged backwards.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:41 PM, BOBBY <bocd@optonline.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey Guys...
> >>>>
> >>>> I have an electrical problem
> >>>>
> >>>> I was doing some wiring of a new underhood fuse block with a coule
> >>>> relays
> >>>> for my elec fan and inverter...
> >>>>
> >>>> Everything was fine and when I went back to turn the key to on to
> >>>> check
> >>>> my
> >>>> fan operation....everything was dead. I looked at my under hood
> >>>> large
> >>>> fuses
> >>>> and found the 40 AMP ING SW (number 7) to be blown. I replaced it
> >>>> and I
> >>>> believe it blew again. I then moved 40 AMP ING SW STARTER (number
> >>>> 8) to
> >>>> the
> >>>> number 7 spot on still no start. I believe you need both of those
> >>>> fuses
> >>>> to
> >>>> start.
> >>>>
> >>>> The very odd thing is ........Now with number 7, 8 & 9 (ABS PUMP)
> >>>> out, I
> >>>> turned my ignition switch to the on position and on the way back to
> >>>> off
> >>>> the
> >>>> horn beeped
> >>>>
> >>>> The switch was off and the horn continued to blow until I
> >>>> disconnected
> >>>> the
> >>>> + wire that feeds the fuse box....... WTF
> >>>>
> >>>> Tomorrow I will replace all 3 fuses but what would cause the horn
> >>>> to blow
> >>>> continuois???
> >>>>
> >>>> This did happen with my 10 amp battery charger hooked up charging
> >>>> my main
> >>>> battery.
> >>>>
> >>>> I disconnected all my battery's in case of a short.....
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone have any idea's..... Jon?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>> Bob
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 18:29:28 -0500 (EST)
> From: BOBBY <bocd@optonline.net>
> Subject: RE: DML: Won't start after Wiring mod
>
> Thanks Azie....I'm all set. Good advice.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 6:23 PM, maggie11@mchsi.com wrote:
>
> > BOB writes:
> >
> > Hey Guys...
> >
> > I have an electrical problem
> >
> > I was doing some wiring of a new underhood fuse block with a coule
> > relays for my elec fan and inverter...
> >
> > Everything was fine and when I went back to turn the key to on to
> > check my fan operation....everything was dead. I looked at my under
> > hood large fuses and found the 40 AMP ING SW (number 7) to be blown. I
> > replaced it and I believe it blew again. I then moved 40 AMP ING SW
> > STARTER (number 8) to the number 7 spot on still no start. I believe
> > you need both of those fuses to start.
> >
> > The very odd thing is ........Now with number 7, 8 & 9 (ABS PUMP)
> > out, I turned my ignition switch to the on position and on the way
> > back to off the horn beeped
> >
> > The switch was off and the horn continued to blow until I disconnected
> > the + wire that feeds the fuse box....... WTF
> >
> > Tomorrow I will replace all 3 fuses but what would cause the horn to
> > blow continuois???
> >
> > This did happen with my 10 amp battery charger hooked up charging my
> > main battery.
> >
> > I disconnected all my battery's in case of a short.....
> >
> > Anyone have any idea's..... Jon?
> >
> > Well I'm not Jon but the 1st thing I'd do is disconnect the additional
> > wiring I just installed..Usually when we do modifications and
> > encounter
> > problems such as you're experiencing the problem lies within the
> > confines of the mods we just completed.. If the problem still exist
> > after undoing the mod, obviously there is another problem that you
> > will just have to trace out..
> > Good luck
> > Azie
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of DML Digest V5 #4217
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>
                                               



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