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From: Dahrl Clark <dclark@nb.net>
To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
Date: Monday, June 08, 1998 11:49 AM
Subject: DML: Re: 360 into Dakota swap attn. woodgate
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From: woodgate <woodgate@sprynet.com>
To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
Date: Monday, June 08, 1998 2:57 AM
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Well Woodgate, I swapped a 72 360 into mine but never had too =
worry about emissions up here in PA. yet. Mine is a 88 2WD shortbed and =
I used 904 trans. with my swap for the added quickness they give you. I =
had to fabricate almost everything from the motor mounts to the =
crossmember for the trans. Did your 87 have the V6 in it? If it did all =
of the accsesories off of it will bolt right up to the 360 with no =
probs. I used a A body 8 3/4 rear out of a 69 Dart and had to weld new =
spring perches and shock mounts on it. My stock backing plates + brake =
drums bolted right up too it! I still have the stock frame under mine =
and run 29.5x11.5 Mickey Thompson slicks under it with room to spare so =
you should have no prob. with your 31's. I should tell you also that the =
A body rear was actually 1 1/2 " narrower than the original! Also had to =
move in the inner fenderwells in the bed for clearance. Before I =
converted it to a full time racer I had all of the guages and factory =
accsessories including the column shift working perfectly so if your =
friends and you have a little time and "shimm riggin ability" it should =
be no big deal. Probably take you more than a weekend though. Good luck! =
Dahrl Clark
Clarks Radiator Service
dclark@nb.net
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My dakota is an 87 4wd longbox and came with a 3 speed auto. I =
have the official Dodge 87 dakota service manual and it refers to the =
trans as a "loadflight". I assume it to be similar if not the same as =
the torque flight 727 in my Ramcharger. I have heard that the 904 is a =
bit more efficient than a 727 but the 727 is better suited to high hp, =
drag racing, towing, etc. I need 4WD where I live as there are only two =
seasons winter and road construction. =20
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My dakota currently has a factory 3.9 between its fenders. Its =
good to hear that all accessories will fit as we just redid the whole ac =
system. Half the year its colder than heck with a lot of snow and the =
other half its atleast 80 with high humidity. A good heater and AC is a =
must up here. I will have to use the A.I.R. pump from the 3.9 on the 5.9 =
as the one on the Ramcharger took in too much water and seized up while =
wheeling. The belt burnt up flew off (I picked it up) and I never fixed =
it as it passed the smog test with out it hooked up. I guess considering =
that then the 3.9's pump should be sufficient. Actualy I would'nt be =
suprised if they were the same part. I went to the local Dodge dealer =
with a creeper. The salesman alowed me to look at a 4wd model with 318. =
I will probably get new motor mounts for the motor. I'll just look up =
what parts the factory V8's use and buy them. By getting all the O.E.M =
parts ahead of time and putting it in just like the boys on the line do =
and considering that all accessories will bolt on, we should have no =
problem doing the install in a weekend. In all probability I won't need =
to fabricate anything. The only thing I am uncertain about now is what =
radiator to use. I'm sure that the radiator on the 3.9 is too small. I =
need something that can provide ample cooling for moderate towing (16-20 =
ft fishing boats) and off road trail driving (slow moving driving in =
lowrange). I'm sure city milage will go down a tad but with self control =
of my right foot it won't be to bad. If the milage is even halfway (as i =
suspect it to be) inbetween the two trucks I'll be happy. It will =
probably get identical milage on the freeway when driven with milage in =
mind. The old 3.9 does'nt like hills and it absolute sucks when towing. =
I'll set cruise at 70 (our limit on outstate hwy's) and on hills it will =
drop down to 60 or so depending on the hill. My ramcharger would'nt slow =
down a bit and the engine would hardly need any throttle to keep a =
steady pace. I really think it will get much better milage while towing =
when the 360 is in the Dakota as it won't need to rev half as high. The =
360 has a factory Q-jet on it. The small primary barrels should help =
milage and the secondaries prooved to be a kick in the pants even in the =
much heavier and far less aerodynamic Ramcharger. I will no longer need =
to shut off AC on the freeway on ramps or towing when I see a hill =
ahead!=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Well Woodgate, I swapped a =
72 360 into=20
mine but never had too worry about emissions up here in PA. yet. =
Mine is=20
a 88 2WD shortbed and I used 904 trans. with my swap for the =
added=20
quickness they give you. I had to fabricate almost everything =
from the=20
motor mounts to the crossmember for the trans. Did your 87 have =
the V6=20
in it? If it did all of the accsesories off of it will bolt =
right up to=20
the 360 with no probs. I used a A body 8 3/4 rear out of a 69 =
Dart and=20
had to weld new spring perches and shock mounts on it. My stock =
backing=20
plates + brake drums bolted right up too it! I still have the =
stock=20
frame under mine and run 29.5x11.5 Mickey Thompson slicks under =
it with=20
room to spare so you should have no prob. with your 31's. I =
should tell=20
you also that the A body rear was actually 1 1/2 " narrower =
than=20
the original! Also had to move in the inner fenderwells in the =
bed for=20
clearance. Before I converted it to a full time racer I had all =
of the=20
guages and factory accsessories including the column shift =
working=20
perfectly so if your friends and you have a little time and =
"shimm=20
riggin ability" it should be no big deal. Probably take you =
more=20
than a weekend though. Good luck! Dahrl=20
ClarkClarks Radiator Service<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:dclark@nb.net">dclark@nb.net</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Dahrl </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>My dakota is an 87 4wd =
longbox and came=20
with a 3 speed auto. I have the official Dodge 87 dakota =
service =20
manual and it refers to the trans as a "loadflight". I =
assume=20
it to be similar if not the same as the torque flight 727 in my=20
Ramcharger. I have heard that the 904 is a bit more efficient =
than a 727=20
but the 727 is better suited to high hp, drag racing, towing, =
etc. I=20
need 4WD where I live as there are only two seasons winter and =
road=20
construction. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>My dakota currently has a =
factory 3.9=20
between its fenders. Its good to hear that all accessories will =
fit as=20
we just redid the whole ac system. Half the year its colder than =
heck=20
with a lot of snow and the other half its atleast 80 with high =
humidity.=20
A good heater and AC is a must up here. I will have to use the =
A.I.R.=20
pump from the 3.9 on the 5.9 as the one on the Ramcharger took =
in too=20
much water and seized up while wheeling. The belt burnt up flew =
off (I=20
picked it up) and I never fixed it as it passed the smog test =
with out=20
it hooked up. I guess considering that then the 3.9's pump =
should be=20
sufficient. Actualy I would'nt be suprised if they were the same =
part. I=20
went to the local Dodge dealer with a creeper. The salesman =
alowed me to=20
look at a 4wd model with 318. I will probably get new =
motor mounts=20
for the motor. I'll just look up what parts the factory V8's use =
and buy=20
them. By getting all the O.E.M parts ahead of time and putting =
it in=20
just like the boys on the line do and considering that all =
accessories=20
will bolt on, we should have no problem doing the install in a =
weekend.=20
In all probability I won't need to fabricate anything. The =
only=20
thing I am uncertain about now is what radiator to use. I'm sure =
that=20
the radiator on the 3.9 is too small. I need something that can =
provide=20
ample cooling for moderate towing (16-20 ft fishing boats) and =
off road=20
trail driving (slow moving driving in lowrange). I'm sure city =
milage=20
will go down a tad but with self control of my right foot it =
won't be to=20
bad. If the milage is even halfway (as i suspect it to be) =
inbetween the=20
two trucks I'll be happy. It will probably get identical milage =
on the=20
freeway when driven with milage in mind. The old 3.9 does'nt =
like hills=20
and it absolute sucks when towing. I'll set cruise at 70 (our =
limit on=20
outstate hwy's) and on hills it will drop down to 60 or so =
depending on=20
the hill. My ramcharger would'nt slow down a bit and the engine =
would=20
hardly need any throttle to keep a steady pace. I really think =
it will=20
get much better milage while towing when the 360 is in the =
Dakota as it=20
won't need to rev half as high. The 360 has a factory Q-jet on =
it. The=20
small primary barrels should help milage and the secondaries =
prooved to=20
be a kick in the pants even in the much heavier and far less =
aerodynamic=20
Ramcharger. I will no longer need to shut off AC on the freeway =
on ramps=20
or towing when I see a hill ahead! </FONT></DIV>
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