Re: Re: Re: FW: [dakotart] Question about Shift Points? / TQ Management

From: Tony Cellana (acellan1@tampabay.rr.com)
Date: Wed Nov 20 2002 - 11:21:38 EST


Are you thinking about switch in the signal wire to the lockup solenoid? I
need to try that one and see if it helps my top end in the 1/4 any.

TonyC

-----Original Message-----
From: bernd@texas.net <bernd@texas.net>
To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
Date: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Re: FW: [dakotart] Question about Shift Points? / TQ
Management

>
>
>I'd have to go through my old notes...but there was something for
installing a
>switch inline. I think Tim has a copy of the old emails for that.
>
>- Bernd
>
>>
>> Maybe its removed in the MP PCMs? I don't have that problem in either my
99
>> or 2K (both have MP PCM). I do know that the R/T guys 01 and up really
>> complain about it. My 2K had the factory PCM for about 3 days, so I
never
>> really noticed it.
>>
>> Bernd, is there an easy way to disable this, or is a PCM or flash
>> necessary?
>>
>> TonyC
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tim Berry <coolva1@cox.net>
>> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net <dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net>
>> Date: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:37 AM
>> Subject: DML: Re: FW: [dakotart] Question about Shift Points? / TQ
>> Management
>>
>>
>> >
>> >incorrect for year trucks... :-P
>> >
>> >my 97 318 has torque management... (well... PCM for 318) as well as a
>> >friends truck in TN w/ a 98 RT..
>> >
>> >the way I have assumed it to work (since I've been fighting it for a
year
>> or
>> >more now) is when you put a higher stall converter in it, you will
notice
>> >that you will have a "bog" off the line, specially w/ slicks... I think
>> >what the PCM does is look at the RPM's vs. the output shaft speed sensor
in
>> >the tranny.... if the RPM's go over a certain value, w/o the driveshaft
>> >spinning, it sees the tranny slipping, therefore drops timing advance to
0
>> >(watched this on laptop, as well as dealer scan tool)
>> >one lil hack way to fix this on 97's and previous years (due to 98+ has
no
>> >output shaft speed sensor from what I've been told) is remove OSS
>> >connection, and drive it down the road... you will notice that you wont
>> >shift outta 1st gear till ~15MPH or so, and you will get a check engine
>> >light... as soon as you get into 2nd gear, you removed (actually,
>> bypassed)
>> >torque management for that driving cycle... w/o cutting the truck off,
>> stab
>> >it from the line... I'll bet you'll spin like you never imagined :-)
>> >
>> >There is one drawback to defeating it this way for the track... and that
is
>> >that generally you let your truck cool down in the staging lanes... and
as
>> I
>> >said before... when you cut the truck off... you'll have to get it to
shift
>> >into 2nd gear for it to be defeated again.... most tracks you cant get
up
>> >to 15MPH before the burnout box... as well as this.. the "bog" becomes
way
>> >more noticable w/ the sensor disconnected untill you reach the magical
>> >speed... which I was only able to do this one time in the burnout box
w/
>> my
>> >slicks... every other time... I looked like a dumbass barely able to
spin
>> >the slicks over....
>> >
>> >I'm thinking of puttin a switch inline w/ the sensor to have it where I
can
>> >be doing my burnout, have it at say, 30MPH, and flip the
switch...hopefully
>> >it'll instantly set the CEL and have bypassed the TQ Management...
>> >
>> >I'll keep everyone updated... I'm still waiting on someone to install
my
>> >4.10s tho :-P
>> >
>> >Tim Berry - Chesapeake, VA
>> >97 CC, 360, Auto, 4300LBS
>> >best ET to date: 13.03@103.76
>
>



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