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> From: owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net
> [mailto:owner-dakota-truck@bent.twistedbits.net]On Behalf Of Tim Berry
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 5:40 PM
> To: dakota-truck@dakota-truck.net
> Subject: RE: DML: Torque management-4.7l auto
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> TQ management isn't in all the PCM's from what I've seen in the past, it
> is only in some... for some reason, all 3 PCM's I've had in my truck,
> has had it. A local guy who has a 408 has not had it and it's a 99 r/t.
> Then there is the guy in Tenn. who found he had Tq Management at the
> same time I did when there was no knowledge of it, and Marty @ KRC got
> us in contact with one another. We both had the same problem, and we
> had a converter and shift kit in common.
How does one "find" that they have TQ management?
> Therefore, if you have Tq Management, you WILL bog off the line if you
> launch hard with the experiences I've had, seen, and heard of on the
> 318/360 trucks. What I've found it to do is take the timing advance to
> 0 degrees at the "bogging" point. Once the transmission is up and
> moving it will put the timing back into it.
Timing to zero???? The only person I've seen attempt to document this
converter phenom with a DRBIII was Travis Mock and he was talking something
on the order of 4 degrees retard. What you are suggesting is along the lines
of 30+ degrees. BTW, Travis ran some 12.3ish ETs in the heat of Phoenix with
a '99 controller that supposedly had this "TQ management problem" and he had
respectable 60's too. Again, I think the issue is overblown.
The idea that some trucks have it and some don't just feeds the rumor mill.
It is HIGHLY unlikely that you would see such a major PCM subroutine flashed
into some 360 trucks, but not others, especially if you're talking about a
given model year. Less timing or the "death flash" everyone points to, OK.
But major program mods like that are not likely.
If you've got a FSM for your truck, look up the connectors on the PCM and
see if there is a torque management wire in the harness. Then verify if that
wire is physically there on your truck. That would be a start. My '01 does
have the signal wire, but I don't know that all Gen IIIs did. But even with
the wire, that's no assurance that the feature is programmed or enabled in a
given controller.
Bob
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