James, you hit the nail on the proverbial head, especially about Reagan and
Bush I with Afghanistan and Gulf I.
Tom Byrne
Former Army 19D
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zito, James A (GE Infra, Energy)" <james.zito@ge.com>
To: "Dakota list (E-mail)" <dml@dakota-truck.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:47 AM
Subject: DML: RE Real War
>
> James Z writes: >> Well said and to go along with that, when the
> next REAL war comes along (please bonus points to anyone who
> can tell me when the last one was) <<
>
> And Azie replied:
> Currently!! It started back in the late 70's when Our Military
> and Our Embassies were bombed by Muslim Extremist. If you
> don't think that this war is real, just wait and see what happens
> when we do not win it.. No one in this country will be safe. It
> is impossible to "make a deal" with a people that wants us
> dead. We must win - not pull out.<<<
>
> While I agree that there is "war" currently going on, you have missed my
> point entirely. I was referring to an actual WAR as defined by our
> Constitution, in other words, one "declared" by Congress.
>
> Both the Executive and Legislative branch of our government have been
> derelict in their duties since 8 Dec 1941. And by extension so has the
> Judicial for allowing them to get away with it. Some time after the end
> of WW2, the 3 branches of government decided that following the
> Constitutional requirements of actually agreeing on the decision of
> starting/joining a war were too restrictive and developed the "Executive
> Order," and the War Powers Act. These bit's of legislation I find to be
> almost direct opposition to the Constitution.
>
> Additionally, and unfortunately, we WILL loose the current conflict
> because of a couple of facts.
>
> First it is a primarily a RELIGOUS conflict, not a political one. Since
> the West generally have a very wide split between Church and State this
> concept is completely unknown to us, and it is a very strong motivator of
> the enemy.
>
> Second it is a guerilla war and the only times the monkeys (play on words)
> have lost a guerilla war is when the "professional" fighters have killed
> everything that moved until the few monkeys that weren't dead cried uncle.
> While I can't say with authority, I believe, the only time this happened
> was when Longshanks killed everything that moved in Scotland (including
> Braveheart). And that sort of behavior doesn't fly so well today, or
> really since they allowed the media to tag along for the fight. In WW2
> that is exactly how we beat the Japanese, first by killing all of them on
> the islands they were occupying and then by demonstrating that we would do
> the same thing on the mainland. And before the anti-nuclear weapons folks
> crucify me, please recall that our firebombings of Tokyo killed 400,000
> civilians while Little Boy and Fat Man took out less than 200,000.
>
> Conflicts since WW2
> Korea, never declared, just a "police action," and not over, just the
> longest cease fire on record.
>
> Viet Nam, never declared.
>
> Grenada, never declared, at least we won.
>
> Gulf War 1, never declared, we quit before we finished.
>
> Gulf War 2, never declared, might not have been needed if the actor and
> George 1 had done their jobs properly. See the next comment. And if
> became needed, due to Bin Laden it should have be directed at his homeland
> Saudi Arabia. Additionally, I think a more appropriate response would
> have been to destroy Mecca and Medina, they took out the "Temples of
> Capitalism" we should have taken out the "Temples of Islam."
>
> Afghanistan, never declared, would have been unnecessary if the actor and
> George 1 had done their jobs properly. After training and arming the
> Taliban, the US left them in the lurch when the Russian tanks rolled out
> of Afghanistan (can we say the monkeys winning another guerilla war?).
> Reagan and Bush 1 should have jumped right in with humanitarian aid
> including food, rebuilding resources and educational resources.
>
> Jim
> Former Navy EOD officer
> '03 Dak CC missing 2 pistons and 2 driven wheels
>
>
>
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