RE: Re: RE: Magnum 360 Short Block ?

From: Holloway,Frank T (Frank.T.Holloway@KP.ORG)
Date: Sun Oct 31 1999 - 16:23:09 EST


Bob,
 
I would suggest that you hold tight for a couple of months. We are in the
process of building up an engine right now. Dick and Robert Landy are hoping
to have a turn-key engine package for sale. We have worked with John Erb
(the chief engineer) at Keith Black to develop a replacement HP piston for
these engines. Most of the work is done (just waiting on the prototype
pistons). The cam is custom grind out of Crane, Robert and Dick Landy have
done the block and head work. We are shooting for 400 HP and we should
easily achieve this and it will be clean (emissions wise) but not Carb Legal
because of the intake manifold and cam (we just need to fool people). Some
of the specs. CR 9.7/1, cam specs, .570 lift intake, .580 lift exhaust,
duration 218 degrees intake, 224 degrees exhaust, split duration. LSA - 112
degrees. Custom software to match the engine. Bruce & I will have pics as we
work through the process of assembly. If you need a short block sooner, then
either Dave Hughes @ Hughes Engines, or Kammer & Kammer can provide you with
a custom short or long block and both do quality work...........

        Frank

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob King [SMTP:k85go76@erols.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 5:23 PM
> To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
> Subject: DML: Re: RE: Magnum 360 Short Block ?
>
> Know any national chain type engine rebuilders that are worth anything,
> Frank? ATK?Power Pro? Others?
> Thanks!
>
> Bob King
> Pennsville, NJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Holloway,Frank T <Frank.T.Holloway@KP.ORG>
> To: 'dakota-truck@buffnet.net' <dakota-truck@buffnet.net>
> Date: Saturday, October 30, 1999 7:20 PM
> Subject: DML: RE: Magnum 360 Short Block ?
>
>
> >GS,
> >
> >I don't know much about the short blocks that Mopar Performance sells and
> I
> >don't think they know much about them either. The Magnums don't have the
> >same balance factor as the early A-engines. The rods are the same but the
> >cranks are different (balance factor). The Magnum pistons are a heck of a
> >lot lighter than the A-engine equivalents. Vibration dampers and
> flex-plate
> >or flywheels are different. One would need to find out what crank they
> are
> >using. Timing chain cover and cam would need to be changed (Magnums don't
> >need the accessory drive for the fuel pump). The cam would be way to much
> >for computer controlled vehicles (lift is OK, but the duration is way too
> >much). LSA on the cam is way too small (108 degrees) and needs to be at
> >least 112 degrees. On short block P/N P4876906, they call the compression
> >height of 1.580, even if you deck the block .020 inch, that figure would
> put
> >the pistons .080 down in the bores (not good). I have no idea how they
> could
> >possibly get the CR's they are claiming. Even P/N P9876913 would still
> have
> >the pistons down in the bores. I really think these engines are
> replacements
> >for early A-engines and MP they said that they were in the process of
> >changing the piston combinations. The heads are the same for the 318 and
> 360
> >(no difference). IMHO, I think they are a good deal for early engines,
> but
> I
> >would wait until MP gets their act together before purchasing one as a
> >replacement short block for Magnum vehicles. Magnum cores can be had at
> >reasonable prices (I just got 10 core engines for the Landy's). You can
> get
> >a replacement short block assembly with your choice of pistons, rings,
> cam,
> >and bearings from top notch rebuilders for about the same price.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: GS- [SMTP:GSWillhite@ualr.edu]
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 9:15 AM
> >> To: dakota-truck@buffnet.net
> >> Subject: DML: Magnum 360 Short Block ?
> >>
> >> Several months ago we talked about the 360/300 & 360/380
> >> Magnum crate motor and how difficult it is to adapt to
> >> our Daks. I was wondering if the 360 short blocks would
> >> be easier? Say take the one with the lower CR like 9.5:1
> >> and stick my 318 heads on it (I think swede said 318/360
> >> heads are the same). I know the cam has much higher lift.
> >>
> >> I guess the real problem would be would it work with the
> >> stock or MP computer. Probably would not be talkin' any
> >> type of gas mileage here, but thats not what I'm after.
> >>
> >> Oh yeah, I think the 360 has a different flywheel and is
> >> externally balanced. Maybe do a slight mod to the stock
> >> manifold (I know Frank) to help take advantage of the
> >> higher breathing cam and install a crank position sensor,
> >> I don't think the Mag short block has one?. For the price,
> >> $1200-1500 for the short block, you can't beat it.
> >>
> >> GS -
> >>
> >> 98 5.2L 5spd



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